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 No.413149

Especially communist ones. although I could also give credits to Suharto and Lee Kuan Yew I think that they have made their respective countries great. except for Hitler, fuck him Take Suharto for example. Although he is staunchly anti-communist but the fact that he has developed the Indonesian economy and state in general makes me give him credits. Not to forget Xi Jinping and Joseph Besarionis dze Jughashvili, both of which rapidly modernized their respective nations. Also notable is Lee Kuan Yew, of which even the Deng you guys always bashed learned from him. The rest, including Eastern European and African dictators (as well as some Asian ones) including Pol Pot have positioned their countries as a bastion against decadent degenerate democracy.

Democracy always sucked. Take the US for example. There are lots of intra-party fights going on ever since Trump took office, first time by the donkeys and now by the elephants. The fact that January 6 rioters stormed the Capitol and Antifa burning down houses makes me more disillusioned to democracy. Also noted that there are so many far right retards here and there, screaming conspiracy theories like QAnon and "vaxx are unsafe" as well as general misinformation. There is also immense MSM control there, so that every single news coming out of the country is nevre unbiased, yet the people aren't aware of it due to the fact that "America's a democracy, democracies never do that." Liberals are another major concern, in which they align their positions to be close to DC as possible. They always cared about muh human rights issues without realizing that their ideals themselves is actually a barrier to state development. (Take for example Palestinian liberation. Although they (and I) support Palestinian national liberation, I don't support Palestine being a bourgeois democracy (like they do).)

One of those things that I have always stressed is that they implement censorship, which is actually beneficial for national development. So that critics could just stay silent and watch as the government unveils new stuff. The fact that in a democracy there's going ot be lots of criticism makes state development impossible. Just look at US infrastructure. It's 50 years old already yet they won't update them (particularly their IT sector, they were btfo'd by Russia 3 times).

Another thing is that democracies uphold muh freezed peaches. Freezed peaches is a major flaw on nation-states with a strong economic leadership like China. With free speech, people can easily spread gorillions of disinformation while the ruling class can easily propagandize their ideals overseas. That's what happens to America. With disinformation being spread from pro-Trump social media accounts and /pol/, it culminates in the storming of the Capitol and subsequent banning of Trump. China? They'll just crack down and arrest those who spread disinformation or Western propaganda by Faux News, FAKE NEWS CNN, and MSNBFraud.

Lastly, their management of THIS pandemics
RN, while China is experiencing a new Delta wave:
https://www.wionews.com/world/china-faces-worst-covid-19-outbreak-since-wuhan-surge-of-delta-variant-in-15-cities-401972
the US still leads in total number of cases (35,689,184 as of 7/31/2021).
India, where the Delta variant first spotted, and one of the last bastions of Trump-style populism in the world, is number 2 in total cases and number 3 in deaths, and is the world's second-largest democracy.
(China is #107, Russia is #4, Cuba is #60)
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 No.413153

ask not what The Regime can do for you — ask what you can do for The Regime
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 No.413160

Mostly based af but you had to include that whore Suharto and that Singaporean whore. But who cares, we can't agree on everything. Democracy, while not always a spook throughout human history has become a massive spook by now. Same with human rights, it's relatively new but still it has become a massive spook. Should prioritize phasing them out eventually if we are to prioritize and focus on the aspects of human life that truly matter. That's the beauty of humanism, it's always advancing. Now we value democracy and human rights, in the future these concepts will be thrown into the dustbin of history and new elements will be valued. That's what it is to be a true humanist.
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 No.413164

>>413160
>Mostly based af but you had to include that whore Suharto and that Singaporean whore.

Maybe that should make you question yourself since you share views with this guy
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 No.413167

>>413160
>>413164
>you had to include that whore Suharto and that Singaporean whore
They both modernized their economies. Suharto is known as Bapak Pembangunan Indonesia (Father of the Development of Indonesia) here, while Lee Kwan Yew successfully transformed a Third World backwater to a first-world quality nation state. An authoritarian leader doesn't have to be a communist, they could be any background (even capitalist, tehy are capitalist), but we must see its impact upon society.
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 No.413173

>>413167
>literally doesn't even have to be leftist, I just love authoritarians of any type

jesus christ
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 No.413175

>>413173
>I just love authoritarians of any type
Srsly I'm done with democracy I've fed up by them.
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 No.413179

>>413175
Democracies aren't all good and autocracies aren't all bad, but all things being equal, democracy is clearly better
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 No.413180

>>413149
>When you’re an idiot who doesn’t understand the class character of societies and falls for the authoritarian/libertarian meme
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 No.413185

Trash thread, dengoid Zionist go home
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 No.413186

>>413149
Least dishonest tankie
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 No.413192

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>ignoring democracy as an economic mechanism
you are an idiot
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 No.413193

>>413185
>don't you realize that israel is a muh democracy
<of which i don't support them
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 No.413197

>>413192
Western style democracy does suck, why idiot?
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 No.413199

>>413197
You've got these intraparty duels, which is not beneficial for the state and society, why must you defend that shit?
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 No.413205

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Op is no older then 15.
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 No.413208

>>413192
>Trusting bourgeois democracy
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 No.413216

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>>413167
>>413149
>although I could also give credits to Suharto and Lee Kuan Yew
Imagine thinking those two improved the economy. They were one of the one worst things to ever happen to the SEA Left.

I swear the non-SEA people really got to stop putting our region in some orientalist pedestal.
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 No.413217

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>>413153
>ask not what The Regime can do for you — ask what you can do for The Regime
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 No.413219

>>413205
Go read some news fren. Come back to me and conclude who performs best and who does not.
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 No.413220

Idk how you can disagree with the reasoning in this post. Some of you mad over this is just because you want to hide behind optics
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 No.413228

>>413209
>>413219
The monarchy,authocracy and later the dictatorship in my country din't improve shit because they were doing policies that only benefit they class interests of the aristocracy and thought there was no merit to give bread crumbs to the poor, i'm really could give two shits about you americans waking about auth/liberty political compass retardation that have nothing to do with class.
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 No.413232

>>413228
>i'm thinking about auth/liberty political compass retardation
You've got it so wrong BIG TIME. What I meant is that dictatorships (all types) help the people, help the economy, and help the society. I don't even know that bullshit ever existed and even if I knew it existed it would be a very long time ago and has since been forgotten by myself.
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 No.413233

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>>413220
The reasoning is wrong anyway. Democracy merely plays out the divisions in society that authoritarian countries tries to suppress. LKY destroyed every single institutions outside of his sphere after crushing the socialists, and is a huge reason why leadership is very inflexible and delusional, dissent is rapidly bubbling even now. Suharto started a bloody massacre, with a shattered economy from which Indonesia has barely recovered.

What OP is really upset about is the bourgeois part in bourgeois democracy, not democracy itself.
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 No.413241

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>Lee Kew Pew

unironically rape yourself with a broom handle. Faggots like you should be sledgehammered to death.
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 No.413248

>>413232
>You've got it so wrong BIG TIME. What I meant is that dictatorships (all types) help the people.
/pol/ playing both sides to fit in lmao, The USA is a dictatorship were u can only vote two right wing with the only difference between of then is that one hates blacks and gays more then the other don't know why you don't praise the US more my nigra if we follow you beliefs, that's why i can see that you base you intire line of thought on Political compass retardation, read a book.
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 No.413249

>>413248
*if you follow your beliefs.
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 No.413250

>>413248
>USA is a dictatorship
I'm explainig terms of dictatorship with a normal brain.
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 No.413253

>>413250
Amerishit brain.
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 No.413258

>>413253
Plus USA would even not even fit as a democracy even using the bourgeois concept of democracy.
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 No.413259

>>413258
>even using the bourgeois concept of democracy
Interesting thing.
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 No.413260

>>413241
>unironically rape yourself with a broom handle. Faggots like you should be sledgehammered to death.
Oh, thanks to lee kwan yew, singapore is no longer a backwater which is great. But we can't turn back the time, as it's already too late, and he is now dead resting in peace.
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 No.413263

>>413149
>authoritarian regimes and hated democracy
false dichotomy, liberal plutocracy is not democracy, and they're not any less "authoritarian"
stop falling for libs political framing
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 No.413264

Fuck off /pol/.
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 No.413265

>>413264
>/pol/
Isn't that /pol/tards support muh freedoms?
I hate them concepts.
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 No.413266

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>>413260
SINGAPORE WAS NEVER A BACKWATER PLACE

If anything Singapore was always going to be fucking important nexus of trade. It had the most development in any city in SEA, it was the pearl of the UK Empire. It had huge investments and technology transfer from America and Japan. It is no different from what happened to HK, Taiwan and South Korea.

>and he is now dead resting in peace.

He is spinning in his grave now with his children squabbling and fighting one another.
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 No.413272

>>413266
IKR
But someone mocked his accomplishments indirectly and he is >>413241
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 No.413273

>>413269
>>413272
You fucking moron. I am saying you are wrongfully attributing Singapore's economy to the fucking gloryhound that is Harry Lee. Singapore was already developed and on its way to stay developed before Harry Lee came along

Fuck Harry Lee and >>413241 is based.
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 No.413277

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most of the non-communist leaders were less great leaders who advanced the power of their countries through their own will and more people who suppressed the capacity for the people in their nations to express themselves and sold out the national interests of these countries to western powers in order to get large sums of material and military aid. the only real exception to this is Russia, which has been coasting on an ever-declining framework set up by the Soviets since the fall of the USSR.

ironically, the power of all of these autocracies you worship comes exclusively as part of a bargain with these "democracies" you hate. they could not exist without your USAs and EUs of the world.
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 No.413278

>>413273
If not because of Lee Kuan Yew himself how's Singapore going to be today? If it were ruled by corrupt people? If it were to be ruled as a communist? Much better, but it would be a second world state unless it follows Xi.
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 No.413283

>>413278
The Ducth came to Indonesia and Indonesia set themselves free in 1945, They lived under 2 dictators, of which the last one fell in 1998. Ever since Indonesia has become a shithole in which you can give them rainbowbucks in exchange for political benefits.
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 No.413291

>Suharto developed Indonesia
He developed his own pocket nicely
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 No.413293

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>>413149
>implying that when proletariats control the means of production that's authoritarian.
>1/8, made me reply.
To troll became a art.
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 No.413310

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>>413278
>If not because of Lee Kuan Yew himself how's Singapore going to be today?
Your ignorance of Singapore's history (probably coz you live on the other side of the planet) blinds you to its possibilities.

Pic related could have been the PM (after all, it was him and his party that made LKY the First Minister to begin with) and was a huge syndicalist himself. He probably would made a confederation of syndicates and cooperatives as the bedrock of the economy and purged corruption (LKY even admitted that he adopted anti-corruption stances coz of pic related basically being a walking saint). Probably be the more syndicated and urban version of Cuba.
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 No.413323

>>413310
Oh! I have never heard from his guy. What I’m fascinated about him is his economic development, but haters will forever hate.
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 No.413333

>>413323
>his economic development,
Is highly overrated because again Singapore was highly developed economically for the region and Asia when LKY took over. Singapore is even THE busiest port in the world due to its prime location, it is the eternal resource that will never run out. It is never going to be a poor country. You basically fell for the propaganda like a brainlet.

There are so many ships in the shoreline that I had to go overseas multiple times to realize normal shorelines don't have a ship in sight
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 No.413334

>>413149
>mug gdp
piss off
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 No.413337

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>And yet retards will screech that leftypol doesn't have a red fascist problem
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 No.413340

>>413334
>poor dictatorships okay!!!
>rich dictatorships noooo!!!
The people must be fed, retard. The military strengthened, the economy invested, America surpassed.
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 No.413344

>>413337
>implying that OP is the problem
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 No.413345

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>I have no privacy, no freedom, and a police stare to make the US jealous but st least big pine go up and I can go to amusement parks!1!1!
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 No.413347

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 No.413352

>>413345
>make the US jealous
THE US IS CLEARLY JEALOUS BECAUSE OF THE THINGS DICTATORSHIPS DO. THEY PRIORITIZE SOCIETAL WELFARE OVER INTRAPARTY FIGHTS, THEY PRIORITIZE ECONOMIC DEVELOPMENT OVER INFRASTRUCTURE BILL DELAYS, THEY LISTEN TO REAL NEWS AND NOT PROPAGANDA.

LOOK AT CHINA NOW.
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 No.413355

>>413337
>Implying that OP is in any way “red” and not a /pol/ tourist.
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 No.413357

>>413355
Did you know that I haven’t ever typed a single word on /pol/ yet? I live in a country that bans Reddit.
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 No.413360

>>413357
Through this thread I actually praised what normal people would call as “dictatorships” (I’m an apolitical centrist and not a poltard due to that reason) because I’m fed up by what America and the West in general does.
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 No.413361

>>413357
this is what poltard will say anyway
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 No.413367

Let this thread be in the dustbin of leftypol history. /thread sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage sage
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 No.413374

retard look up right wing authoritarian mindset and eat some fucking omega 3s to become less retarded
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 No.413378

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>>413149
You goddamn right, your head must be got hit so hard. Favouring pointless GDP over HDI. Gotcha, c h u d dengoid.
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 No.413380

>>413149
>muh economy!
<Singapore retard deepthroat the boot
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 No.413382

>>413378
A system without any democratic process will likely have a shit total productivity capacity as well
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 No.413386

>>413149
OP is a moron, the current US bourgeoisie doesn't want to upgrade infrastructure or do any of the other things that collectively benefit society, and they won't do it regardless how much or little civil liberties and democratic rights Americans have.

The authoritarian vs libertarian political lens, truly leads to pure idiocy.
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 No.413391

>>413386
yeh although with true democratic process they wouldn't be able to pass shit, it's just fake democracy
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 No.413393

>>413232
The only good authoritarianism is dictatorship of proletariats. Not ruled by bureaucrats or corporates or opportunists.
>>413205
This. Daily reminder that polcomp is astrology.
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 No.413396

>>413393
I mean it. Aka a communist dictatorship. That’s what i call as based. Even if Lee Kwan Yew and Suharto “developed their respective countries’ economies” it’s a trade off for burgerization.
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 No.413409

>>413193
Israel is not a democracy you melt
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 No.413411

this is what happens when kids grow up without a father
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 No.413413

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>Democracy always sucked.
What you have experienced is the Roman oligarchic system of governance masquerading in democratic rhetoric. You have literally never had democracy.
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 No.413514

>>413216
LKY didn't improve the economy?
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 No.413585

Sub 80 IQ democracy good cuz its said so
80 IQ dictatorship based cuz I'd make everything good
100 IQ democracy might not be the best, but it is the best system we have
120 IQ dictatorship is the only form of governement that can cut through the red tape and actually change the system for the better
120+ IQ real democracy is a must because any oligarchic or dictatorial form of government dissolves into corruption and stagnation over time
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 No.413625

This post vaguely reminded of that one pol pot poster back on 8ch that advocated for a socialist panopticon and all people wearing the same clothes.
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 No.413628

>>413585
>Thinking IQ is real
Well that’s your first mistake
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 No.413632

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>>413632


>I would rather not obey at all

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