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 No.412378

Progressivism is a threat to society, whether for leftists, or even for centrists. They blur the line between "leftism" and "neoliberalsm" by juxtaposing both under the umbrella term of "leftism". They brand everyone who disagree with them as a "Nazi" or "right-wing" or a "white supremacist", even if that person is indeed a centrist who stands by his opinions, or even a left-winger.

What do you guys think about this ideology?

Opinions, discussions welcome.
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 No.412381

All AES was more socially progressive than the societies that proceeded it.

Sage goes in the email field
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 No.412388

>>412386
Jealous?
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 No.412390

>They blur the line between "leftism" and "neoliberalsm"
I don't think neoliberalism means what you think it means
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 No.412398

>>412390
Neolibs and libs in general are, afaik, everyone who supported:
# BLM
# Gay rights
# Gay pride
# Minority rights
# Gun control
# Biden
# Fuck Trump
# Muh human rights in palestine
# Muh xinjiang human rights situation
# Fuck Israhell because it's a human rights violator and settler colonial country

Which carry these characteristics:
# Scream Russia Russia Russia in 2016
# Accuse Trump of being a Russian agent
# Active in reddit
# Mostly soys
# Mostly young zoomers
# Supports The Squad
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 No.412404

>>412398
Very unmarxist to see form and not content.

BLM grassroots are probably the protopolitical insurrectionary undercurrent in black political thought that Huey Newton and Bobby Seale noted in the Watts Riots. They need organization, but there’s the potential for shit. Gay and trans rights? The idea of regarding these people with benign disinterest doesn’t seem very political. As a matter of fact, I see no inherent political class content to being gay or trans. (That is not the same as saying they are inherently liberal).

The rest of your list seems fine enough, albeit a little reverse-idpozzed.
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 No.412411

>>412398

> BLM

Based

>Gay Rights

Based

>Gay Pride

Corporatism take over nonsense

>Minority Rights

Based

>Gun Control

Stupid neolibs gunna get shot taking my guns

>Biden

Fuck Biden

>Fuck Trump

Yes, Fuck trump too.

>Muh Human rights in Palestine

My goy, Israel deserves to be crushed. its a apartheid state and only fuels the military industrial complex of the USA and the ambitions of the CIA.

>muh xinjiang human rights

They literally just estimated the amount of ughyurs that could fit in single jail cell and multiplied by the number of cells in Xinjiang. China isn't a God Country and wouldn't be able to surpress a entire ethnic group that easily.

>Fuck Israel

Yes, fuck israel. So many things wrong with Israel.

>Russia 2016
Russia is weak as fuck and incompetent as fuck. They are like a fat man walking on a squeaky floor. Its so easy to notice their, shall we say, "clandestine" activities.

>Accuse trump of being a russian agent

This has as much merit as the list of people who hillary magically killed.

>Active in reddit

Everyone is active in reddit. People of every single ideological current use reddit. Some may not be as active about their ideology as others tho.

>Mostly soys

Yeah, as are all college educated people

>Young zoomers

If you consider succdems to be Neolibs.

>Supports the squad
Yeah, a lot of neoliberals do. They think AOC's GND plan or Bernie Sanders Univeral healthcare is "socialism". JFL
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 No.412413

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>>412398
This had better be ironic, because half of these any legitimate communist should support. None of this is what inherently defines liberalism or neoliberalism. For example:
>BLM
The organization I take issue with, but the organizers on the ground are a mix, and it should be recognized the class origin the issue overall.
>Gay rights
>Gay pride
>Minority rights
I don't see anything inherently wrong with any of this.
>Muh human rights in palestine
>Fuck Israhell because it's a human rights violator and settler colonial country
Nearly every communist supports these things you Zionist faggot. Israel is an imperialist apartheid state, and should be wiped off the map.

If not ironic, kys you faggot. Your views aren't based on any kind of communist conviction and analysis, and are just kneejerk twitter brained shit.
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 No.412417

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>>412398
> Muh human rights in palestine
lol wut
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 No.412422

>>412413
Read what Huey Newton and Bobby Seale said about the Watts and Detroit Uprisings in the 60s for what I think is the proper line about BLM protests.
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 No.412425

>>412413
What I meant is that:
>BLM
>Gay pride
>Muh minorities
could be weaponized by them as some sort of IDPOL.
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 No.412429

>>412425
So can actually red, socialist aesthetics. Be better.
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 No.412437

>>412425
I think something like 1/3rd of people in the Socialist Gun Owners of America club are LGBT. Lots of socialists/communists are gay like betrand rustin.

BLM protestors actively argue for defunding the state's armed wing and repatriations for blacks (a significant part of the underclass).

They can be weaponized for the leftist cause as well. Corporatism is taking advantage of both however. Gay pride parades are almost always funded or branded with corporate logos and lots of corporations sell BLM merch or pretend to be "woke" to sell to a generation of discontent youth.
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 No.412439

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>>412381
>They brand everyone who disagree with them as a "Nazi" or "right-wing" or a "white supremacist", even if that person is indeed a centrist
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 No.412446

>>412381
>All AES was more socially progressive than the societies that proceeded it.
That is true but the people who call them self progressive today are not more progressive. Just look at what they are doing they are deepening racist divides. Progress would be if they shifted the opinions of people towards scientific reality that races don't exist. They are undermining the rights of women by declaring that prostitution is now progressive. From a socialist perspective there is nothing progressive to increase commodification of people. Progress is when people are less commodified.

We need a label, maybe "retrogressive", "faux-progressive" or "degressive" ?
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 No.412464

>>412398
(Continued)
Supports:
# Abortion
# Sexual reproductive health
# Weed and drugs legalization
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 No.412476

>>412464
>Things lacking in class character and some actually to the benefit of proletarians
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>>412398
>Fuck Trump
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 No.412493

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>>412464
You know what country has legalized abortion and weed and puts public resources toward sexual reproductive health?
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 No.412495

>>412493
The DPRK for real? Props to them for that.
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 No.412500

>>412437
why not have universal reparations for the underclass, would that not be better ?
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 No.412506

>>412500
Pass an underclass redistribution and say that reparations is included in it.
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 No.412532

bump
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 No.412808

>>412493
Best Korea
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 No.412938

What is wrong with sexual freedom, lgbt rights, feminism, dismantling traditional gender expectations?
Just look at USSR. They literally criminalized homophobia, reinforced patriarchy and clamped down on sexual freedom. You have to fight for these things even in communist countries.
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 No.412940

>>412398
i told you about the stupidpolers bros, i tucking told you. they literally think neoliberalism is a program of social issues, nothing to do with economics holy fucking shit.
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 No.412947

>>412940
I just went to r/stupidpol to check on your claim. Here are some thread titles, all on the first page of r/stupidpol at the moment:
>6 million renters face eviction in 8 days when a Trump-era ban expires. Biden is poised to let it happen
>‘The war has changed’: Internal CDC document urges new messaging, warns delta infections likely more severe
>Ending the UI expansion in Texas has not solved the labor tightness problems for employers
>“U.S. economy grew annual 6.5 percent between April and June, *marking full recovery from the pandemic*”🤑📈📊
>Bankruptcy and elite impunity
>Mastercard Sees ‘Long Runway’ for Card Usage Amid Reopening (Mastercard says card use is up 36%)
>Pelosi says Biden does *not* have the power to cancel student loan debt — as some Democrats, led by Schumer , are urging him to do. “That has to be an act of Congress,” Pelosi says. 😂
>Techno-Feudalism Is Taking Over by Yanis Varoufakis
>The cost of two weeks in an pediatric/infant ICU
>The Drug Companies Are Killing People
>Biden's infrastructure plan now tentatively set at $550 billion - Down from original $2.3 trillion announced in late March and $1.2 trillion in June
>After Slashing 33% of Workers in 6 Years, Railroads Complain about Labor Shortages, amid Uproar over Slow Shipments
>📊 CNN’s “Tracking America's recovery” is reaching Baghdad Bob levels of spin 📈
Then there's like three or so culture war threads. The level of idpol shit there ATM is lower than on /leftypol/

Please stop making posts that contain nothing but statements of the sort "X website sucks, I am very cool". Thnx.
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 No.412989

>>412947
you can't use current stupidpol as the measuring stick, it's precisely like it is now because there was too much idpol rotting people's brains there that created types like OP who think neoliberalism = social issues. the 100+ mods they have got spooked and are trying to clean it up. it's another classic case of socdems unwittingly helping the right then trying to backtrack after the damage has already been done.
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 No.413033

supporting black, gay, trans, womens, indigenous rights etc. is good. all socialist countries were way more progressive than the societies they grew out of.
just because rightoids are too retarded to differentiate between progressive liberals and progressive leftists doesnt mean… well it doesnt mean *anything* really. our struggle for liberation doesnt need to concern itself with that bullshit.

also, neoliberalism has absolutely nothing to do with social values. you seem to have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. read a fucking book or at least lurk more. also your writing style is barely readable. who is "they"?

>>412398
mask off lmao
zionist who thinks gay and other minority rights arent worth supporting, a true classic
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 No.413035

>>412378
Progressivism might be shitty but it's still less shitty than liberals, conservatives, and basically all other electorally-possible ideologies.
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 No.413042

>>413033
>zionist who thinks gay and other minority rights arent worth supporting
What i meant is that although they are worth supporting the fact that they could be prone to idpoling makes me kind of disappointed.
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 No.413057

>>413042
it may be what you meant, but its not what you said.
what you said is that neolibs completely wrong usage of the term, read a book and libs are defined by supporting those things, and i take it for granted you dont like libs. i dont know if youre being disingenuous or just really bad at expressing yourself.
plus youre still a zionist lmao
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 No.413058

>>413033
>all socialist countries were way more progressive than the societies they grew out of.
Soviet russia literally criminalized homosexuality
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 No.413062

>>413058
Like literally most of the world.
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 No.413063

>>413058
Anon, he said socialist countries, not Stalinist ones.
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 No.413065

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>>413063
>Stalinist
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 No.413071

>>413057
>plus youre still a zionist lmao
Their main characteristics is also fuck israel. What's the problem with that?
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 No.413072

>>413071
Also they supported muh palestinian democracy, whcih translates to
>palestinian bourgeois democracy.
I want palestine to be a hybrid regime, not just a western lackey.
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 No.413077

>>413058
>Soviet russia literally criminalized homosexuality
When the soviets took over they wrote literally nothing about homosexuality in the law making it de facto legal because they weren't idpol revisionists pussies yet
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 No.413078

>>413058
a very narrow view.
right after the revolution, homosexuality was decriminalized. it was only illegal under stalin, one of his many mistakes. after his death, when it became legal again, it was still a massively progressive policy.
also, how do you think gay people were treated in tsarist russia?
>>413063
you just posted cringe bro

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