/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

not powerful enough to kill fidel lmao

>>412136
Oh yeah they dun goofed there

iirc they have a dicksucking issue so they're really weak because all the higher ups got there by sucking off the previous higher ups

More powerful than you think.

>>412136
This.
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The US has been slowly rotting in every aspect of society, I'm sure their intel also has degenerated

>>412132
They're basically everywhere, from imageboards to seemingly innocent content creators like Vox and Vice.

>>412132
They are much more limited than some people think, both in size and competence, but they are dangerous due to their resources and liberty of action.
It is a fact that they have been able to penetrate seemingly any leftist organization, sometimes progressing to the point of making up the majority of even national parties AND securing key leadership positions over years of undercover work (the CPUSA fell victim to both of these situations when they were at their weakest).
Their ability to do this is based on the fact that they are able to leverage the sovereign power of the United States government to do whatever it takes to achieve their ends domestically. Without this, they seem to be second rate. Rich kids with bought degrees, who fail to compete with nobodies like Cuba let alone heavy hitters like China or the KGB. They beat us laymen by brute force alone, which works and is dangerous but is not the existential threat to leftism some people think it is.

They failed in Cuba, Bolivia and Venezuela.
What makes you think that they're competent anymore?

The CIA during the cold war was able to coup pretty much every government in the world with the exception of the USSR,China and the Warsaw Pact, supplying fucktons of weapons to the Mujahidden, Contras and UNITA.

Now their most recent success was Haiti and everyone saw what they did there.

>>412157
I wouldn't be surprised if national security state infiltration of public and private institutions is the only thing holding America together.

>>412151
>vaush being that thin
LOL

>>412132

They have the weight of the most extensively funded police, cyber warfare and judicial system on earth. They can literally do anything with very little consequences. If they wanted to find out every post you ever made online, they absolutely could find it. They have a specific search engine designed for such things. They can use your TV to find your phone (seriously). They have figured out how to de-anonymize TOR . This is all just what the FBI can do. The CIA is far more under wraps. CIA has sleeper cells within other country's political apparatuses. The only thing they are shit at doing is knowing how to use that power and who to go after. That's why the CIA and FBI, despite having near unlimited power, still struggle to overthrow other countries or fight drug distributors in america.

>>412157
You're wrong.
When empires decline generally the National Security Apparatus or "deep state" I guess you could call it is the only thing that still functions effectively because they have to get a handle on all the dissent and anger.

Hence why in Tsarist Russia the bolsheviks were being tailed and infiltrated by Tsarist secret police and some protest marches were led by literal double-agents, and meanwhile the Tsar himself was getting BTFO in WW1.

>>412236
>fight drug distributors in america.
lmao what? CIA is pretty much the biggest drug cartel on earth.

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>>412202
Ok, so US intelligence agencies are significantly limited in what they can do overseas. But what about domestically? How much power do they have within the United States? Can they destroy or coopt any political movement they want? Can they manufacture consent for any policy they support? Can they shut down or take over any media outlet that says things they don't like?

They don't really "control" everything like some people think. It's more complicated. The best "asset" for an intelligence agency is someone who doesn't realize they're being used. And the actual agents are not going to be like "hello sir, I'm from the CIA and would like to ask you a few questions about your government or movement" or whatever. No, the agent is not an "agent," they're a businessman! Or a diplomatic attache! Or a journalist or an academic or whatever. People who work for think tanks. They're glowies. There are dark operations with shady bagmen and kill squads roaming around but that's an even deeper and creepier level than what I'm talking about and that's a different world than the one I play around in (posting online).

I'd read up about their departments like the CIA National Resources Division. They recruit foreigners while they're in the United States. Think about Chinese academics, businesspeople, students at grad school at Harvard. They try to recruit people like that and get them to work for the CIA when they return to China. Or also collect information from prominent U.S. citizens who work overseas or interact with prominent people in other countries when they come back. They build a relationship. They collect intelligence.

Influence operations can also work through "cutouts" and private front groups so the money is untraceable from public scrutiny. More directly relevant for the left, intelligence agencies and private actors associated with them are intermingled with NGOs and various "foundations" that deliver grants to projects that they see as favorable to their overall interests. During the Cold War, you'd see anti-communist left-wing publications getting money from these foundations. Partisan Review was one of these. It was initially a CPUSA magazine but the party decided not to publish it anymore. Then a new magazine with the same name appeared as an anti-Soviet, socdem magazine and it was getting CIA money. That's probably still happening today for some publications, the editors who are getting the money might not even know it. They're just getting a grant from some center-left foundation, but the glowies would prefer one kind of left to a different kind of left. It's like providing some juice for an alternative. "Let's give these guys some help at those guys' expense."

Also maybe read up on Chomsky's writings about "manufacturing consent" about the media. Even if you think Chomsky has gone soft or whatever, that is legitimately based work on this whole thing. It's not that the CIA needs agents working as editors for newspapers (although some certainly do). It's more like major news outlets already work as their stenographers. So you're a journalist at a major newspaper, and your contact within the "intelligence community" is going to disclose something and that's a scoop for you over your competitors, you're gonna publish it. But the story in the paper is like "…according to sources in the intelligence community" or "the intelligence community has concluded that…" and it could be (and most likely is) total bullshit, but the journalist isn't saying whether it's true or false, just that "the intelligence community" believes it's true. But it's just disinfo.

I think that is one of the primary ways they manipulate the media.

Or "limited hangouts." Intelligence agencies will disclose stuff about their own operations but with key facts left out, or some stuff that's bullshit mixed in too.

The media is shaped by its own need to conform to the official propaganda line. That doesn't mean everything the media says is false or is CIA propaganda though. You have to read through the context. There are a lot of cases of American journalists going to Vietnam and seeing horrible stuff the U.S. military was doing to people, and they would report it honestly (including the New York Times) and take a lot of heat for it, but they would couch the reporting with a framework supporting U.S. ideological line, like "these war crimes are a deviation from American values." But that's how those journalists who want to report that stuff can "smuggle" the reporting into the papers in a sneaky way rather than just saying "the U.S. imperialists have committed another crime against the Vietnamese people on Monday" which will not pass the "censors" (editors).

It's probably the same with liberal journalists reporting at Trump rallies. Reporting, oh, these people are a bunch of carnival fascists freaks who will destroy America. And it's like yeah, but they have to report that within a framework that's like "this is betraying American principles…" and then when it gets into disinfo territory is when "the intelligence community has concluded that the Russians are responsible."

>>412247
Well they're embedded with mainstream media to the point they just come on TV news as analysts and shit, so it's safe to assume any major outlets are just working directly with them to manufacture consent at all times. We also know they collaborate with social media companies to spy on people (the PRISM program), so they are probably able to get someone's content taken down if they want to (though in most cases they don't need to do that as it sparks drama and their dominant strategy has been to muddy the waters and countersignal than outright censor).

You should also assume that if you have a group of lefties together beyond I dunno 4 people or so there's probably a fed paying attention and once you get to any serious size they will try to get an informant in there.

>>412252
>if you have a group of lefties together beyond I dunno 4 people or so there's probably a fed paying attention and once you get to any serious size they will try to get an informant in there
If the US tried to project itself as a democracy, tehy would surely fail BIGLY, BIG TIME. The US is on its way to becoming a POLICE STATE with reasons for spying is "FOR NATIONAL SECURITY AND EXTREMISM REASONS".

>FOR NATIONAL SECURITY EXTREMISM REASONS
And yet they still complained about China's reeducation camps. Usual hypocrite.

>>412289
Also they used VICE, VOX, BUSINESS INSIDER, AP, REUTERS, AFP, etc. to ADVANCE THEIR PROPAGANDA APPARATUS. Covertly, such as being writers for them, or filmmakers, or whatsoever the fuck they might work as.

Someone post the CIA agent confession about operations in Cuba and Angola pls.

>>412312
Here you go

>>412236
t. fed or literal schizo

they can't consistently deanonymize you over tor. they still use and need subpoenas to get certain information from companies. the police are extensively funded but that doesnt mean theyre always extensive - most of that goes to expensive toys, not more cops and information. And sometimes there's consequences, it's what they fear more than anything. If we give in to the idea that they can get away with anything, we're going to let them out of cynicism. They are frequently found out and tried, just it's rare for them to be successfully outed. But its getting more common.

Theyre human, their ability to hack shit is only as good as the best hackers' ability to hack shit. Thankfully there are still black hats selling what they know and white hats telling us whats vulnerable. Literally you can know how to get around all of the stuff they are said to do. No, they dont have a super tiny camera in your apartment. They aren't using a rotating box method to follow you when you drive. When someone looks at you funny on the street its just a person looking at you funny. They can only catch signals you transmit. They can only hack shit by any vulnerabilities exposed over the internet or by literally going in you house and taking it apart and fucking with it.

Paranoia is paralyzing, preparedness is necessary

but also yeah they have a total handle on the major media outlets, they can ddos tf out of anyone they want, they can frame you, any cop can arrest you for anything and hold you for investigation, or you can be charged with high bail and put away for years before being found innocent. They have journalists in pay. They probably also have authors in pay. They have basically total control over their representation in the media, including huge blockbusters. They astroturf the internet. There's also a huge grey area where fed bleeds into private groups. It happens between intelligence agencies and private security/mercs, and more and more cops are getting paid "compensation for their extra effort" as a way for companies to literally have local PD on their payroll. The deep state is inseparable from conservative think tanks, secret meetings/events, weirdass church groups, etc. They have all the money they could need, and all the tries at getting it right, whatever theyre trying to do.

Basically just stay off their radar though, also as a unit these people are literally schizo. They actually believe their psy bullshit, they actually believe their anticommunist propaganda, they actually believe their ufo bullshit. The best liars believe their lies. They cripple themselves cause they have no long-game or workable philosophy. Liberals like to pretend that in their objective efficient world, philosophy doesnt matter, but it's what guides your approach to information (ontology), how to act on the information, and what you goals should be. Their philosophy is a failing one.
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>>412202
>with the exception of the ussr
I have a sad truth for you comrade…

Also read this book it’s probably the best book on the subject https://archive.org/stream/pdfy-y_8iHigC3Ms5TngF/BLUM%20killing%20hope_djvu.txt