Animals and the Mentally Deficient

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Animals and the Mentally Deficient Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 20:50:42 No.411559

Do mentally deficient people on the level of animals produce value? Let's say you employ an absolute retard rather than a bull to pull your trolley. Why is the bull constant capital and the retard variable capital? Or do retards count as constant capital?

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 20:51:22 No.411560

>>411559
Also, let as assume that the mentally deficient moron is a slave.

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 20:53:31 No.411564

Because socially he’s deemed a human capable of selling his labor.
Seems simple enough.

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 20:57:31 No.411566

>>411564
Well the law of value operated in pre-capitalist commodity-exchanges too.

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 21:03:19 No.411570

Lol OP even a mentally retarded disabled homeless ex convict is still more useful to society than a literal animal because even the lowest scum of society can still perform menial labour in the form of manual labour like construction, digging, plumbing, wiring or working to assemble basic goods in factories or perform non industrial jobs like janitorial services retail and warehouse duty even if those scum are gonna be a hassle to deal with

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 21:06:06 No.411574

Read Marx. As long as the retard believes(in his social practice) money can be exchanged for goods and services, his work produces surplus value. Its the participation in commodity fetishism thats vital for continuing the capital circuit. Animals and AI cannot desire like subjects can.

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 21:20:40 No.411593

>>411566
So?
Doesn’t mean the dynamics were all the same.

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 21:21:41 No.411596

>>411593
NTA, but that doesn’t refute the point

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 21:32:33 No.411612

>>411560
Slavery is a bit different than being an employed worker under capitalism.
They’re treated like machinery and become akin to constant capital.
This is the most likely scenario:
> However, slavery is then possible there only because it does not exist at other points; and appears as an anomaly opposite the bourgeois system itself.17
>. . . the slave-holding states in the United States of North America . . . are associated with a world market based on capitalist production. No matter how large the surplus product they extract from the surplus labor of their slaves in the form of cotton or corn, they can adhere to this simple, undifferentiated labor because foreign trade enables them to convert these simple products into any kind of use-value.18
The fact that we now not only call the plantation owners in America capitalists, but that they are capitalists, is based on their existence as anomalies within a world market based on free labor.19

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 21:35:47 No.411615

>>411596
Why?
If his labor is treated as having labor power, what difference does it make?

Anonymous 2021-07-30 (Fri) 23:32:02 No.411821

>>411615
I misunderstood your point, you’re in the clear

Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 03:37:21 No.412139

>>411564
That's a completely arbitrary assumption.
We may as well assume that bulls are humans capable of selling their labor and the only thing that we'll lose is inconsistency.

Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 04:07:15 No.412193

>>412139
Bulls aren't socially considered human in any society that I know of.
…maybe India but I'm iffy on that one.

Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 04:15:51 No.412206

ah yes, another vegan thread

Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 05:38:51 No.412321

>>411559
>Do mentally deficient people on the level of animals produce value?
Yes, they just drag down the average labor productivity a little. But not to worry the exact same biological processes also generate really exceptional people that more than make up for it.
You definitely can't reintroduce slavery, because if you try we will think you are mentally defective.

Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 14:29:28 No.412979

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>>412193
>…maybe India but I'm iffy on that one.

You should be iffy on that one.
The reverend status bestowed upon cows (and to a lesser extent, bulls) is that to preserve the cattle for various other applications like any other civilization did for its needs minus the meat consumption. Early Vedic texts actually had mentions of consumption of Cow and its use in rituals.

Anonymous 2021-07-31 (Sat) 14:33:07 No.412981

>>412979
Forgot to mention - despite worship and rituals, cattle themselves don't get any exceptional treatment in India when it comes to its uses and a few states allow consumption of beef.

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