No.409550
Just what exactly is the true relation of nationalism and capitalism? Nationalism taken to extreme is fascism, although some comrades believe that fascism is capitalism in decay. Yet capitalism tends toward transnationalism, globalism, reduced trade boundaries, so that it can optimize its logistics, evade taxes, and bypass laws for the maximization of profits.
A noticeable effect of hypercapitalism (capitalism at the globalized stage) is how it atrophies its host nations and the pillars of nationalistic authority. Consider for instance, the considerable brain drain away from high skilled educated white caller workers moving away from government roles and instead going to work for Big Tech where they can get paid for and work in a tee shirt. Granted, Big Tech has all sorts of incestuous contracts with the government to the extent that the line between them is blurring, but there is the impression that the technological level of governments hosting these companies is second rate to the private interests.
Another aspect of it is that capitalism does the absolute most it can to avoid taxes, and the international corporate law allows Google for example to avoid taxes by incorporating in Ireland using the so called double Irish loophole. Capitalism seemingly inevitably atrophies its host nations, especially by leading to overwhelming wealth concentration and the corresponding decline in the public good.
Considering America has allowed capitalism to completely parasitize it is the leading example of this phenomenon and its current trajectory backs up this analysis.
A few questions:
1. Is there a relation between fascism and capitalism? If so, how does that square with the above?
2. How does China, which tightly controls its private sector, factor into this?
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No.409581
1-Capitalism is pseudo-nationalist and it's only a tool for them. They don't care about those people
2- Fascism existed before, now transnational-bourgeoisie is something. Despite that, we are seeing how India is being fascistic with their hindutva and oligarchy. Again, it's still a tool and conditions for İndians become worse
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No.409662
>>409550>1. Is there a relation between fascism and capitalism? If so, how does that square with the above?Capitalism HATES fascism because it creates obstacles to trade with national borders and cultural taboos, thus obstacles to profit. Thats why bourgeois state will throw you in jail for promoting fascist ideas in most first&second world countries, despite brutalizing third world more than Mussolini ever did Italy. However it will support fascism if socialism becomes serious threat. When that threat is eliminated, capitalism will again subvert and dismantle fascism, one irrelevant innocent trade at a time. Pro-capitalist fascists are cucks of history, here left-NSDAP was accidentally correct for the wrong reasons.
>2. How does China, which tightly controls its private sector, factor into this?It will eventually be subverted by capital too of course. Capital always wins in the end. Capitalism rewards certain patterns of behaviour and punishes other, no stale bureacracy can possibly keep that in check. You cant defeat the systemic pressures of capitalism with muh willpower. Despite your best effort it only makes you a temporary anomaly, statistical noise on top of the greater historical trend. At least until global low RoP shrekts it. Now will that happen before le 2050 button press? Most likely not.
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No.409666
my nation is marx and my nationality is marxism
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No.409680
>>409662 (me)
Basically you can see fascism as deleuzian coding, as opposed to decoding (generalizing relations; abolishing nation-states, gender roles, racial roles, …) which is what capitalism normally does to increase its efficiency (profit making) because it allows more flexible allocation of resources (includes people).
It sucks for capitalism but its better than losing completely. And its always temporary.
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No.409702
>>409666As much as I support the concept of proletarian, socialist internationalism, this is cringey bullshit and you should be ashamed of yourself for writing it.
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No.409765
>>409666Marxland here I come!
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No.409818
>>409662>>409680What we desire is production. Capitalism permits production and overcomes most barriers to it. But sometimes it goes too fast and starts killing itself (e.g. big line go down, votical schizophrenia from no culture). Fascism slows capitalism down, creates new barriers that then becomes the focus for capitalism to transcend, new lines of production within the limits of profitability. Capitalism cannot overcome the limits of profit and so cannot truly free desire. Fascism creates its own limits in reaction to freed desire. Communism provides an avenue for desire to produce which is not limited by the profit motive. Or something like that it's been awhile since i've read d&g.
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No.409830
The future of 21st century fascism, is the harden nationalist that bangs a table "nation first nation first, but globalizes more and more of the nations assets and capital. "Liberal" capitalism is more honest about this globalization while reactionaries seek to hide it all while playing a lie game of home boy team player. Is this really not the mean divide in the bourgeoisie?
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No.410080
Bump