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 No.407721

Is libertarianism making a comeback?
I've seen a lot more pro-business worshipers who have the fag flags and shit and all the meme hubs have started to move away from trumpfaggotry back to right-libertarianism. I think it might be a psyop but I still think that the ones above can influence what is below, as I've seen that the youth have moved away from the left and more towards the bottom right square (for those of you fags who still believe in that sort of autism)
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 No.407724

get off the (american) internet
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 No.407727

Libertarianism has never "left", they're mixed with neoliberals and neocons. Lolberts have millionaire think-tanks all around the world constantly financing and spreading propaganda, especially on the internet.
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 No.407733

>>407727
yeah I just seen a lot more libertarian memes such as the sigma male (loner isolated alienated) vs the alpha (righiod, dominant, mogger) types. These ideals of male masculinity driven to increase consumption of shitty products and fashion that does nothing to actually increase physical strength.
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 No.407736

>>407721
Libertarianism is the natural state of the right when they're not in power. When they're in power they're conservative and more pragmatist/imperialist/proto-fashoid/paleocon. Libertarainism in the US is how the right attacks the left, but the right isn't in practice opposed to government intervention as such.
If the right gets power in the US again, libertarianism will die down. This has been a pattern I've noticed since the late 90's and has persisted till now.
I don't know what it's like outside of the US but I imagine it's similar since we export our dogshit political culture to the world unfortunately.
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 No.407748

>>407721
It's a mix of astroturf and socialist becoming libertarians because mega corps are a more effective at pushing gay/BLM stuff
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 No.407751

>>407721
>Is libertarianism making a comeback?
I have seen none of this.
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 No.407755

>>407751
Go on KnowYourMeme or Youtube.
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 No.407761

>>407755
>kym
>youtube
not a good representative sample for much of anything to me.
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 No.407764

>>407755
Are you the same faggot that made that thread about Bezos' supposed surge in popularity? Do you only visit those websites?
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 No.407766

>>407764
yes and not, i typically go on 4chan but I got banned from posting and I got board of 4chan anyways.
>>407761
those are always the early adopters outside of tiktok but tiktok is too adhd for me
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 No.407768

>>407724
Brazilian here, and not only is this happening here too, my dad went from fascist cuck to ancap (while still worshipping Bolsonaro)
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 No.407772

>>407766
>those are always the early adopters
adopters of what exactly?
I've never once seen anyone do anything but shit on KYM for trying to be pc Encyclopedia Dramatica.
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 No.407809

>>407772
>adopters of what exactly?
New cultural trends
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 No.407833

>>407809
According to who and what?
Themselves?
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 No.407914

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>>407721
We live in a capitalist society and there will always be liberals who defend their own class interests. And cucks who simp the rich elites.
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 No.407919

>>407768
I'm sorry but you'll have to kill your dad, is the best for both of you and for Brazil.
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 No.407960

>>407809
>the world is made of stale memes
Also no I haven't seen any actual resurgence of lolberts. To the extent the right exists, it's either the same Todd Flanders "I believe literally everything as Marco Rubio" strand or fash burnouts.
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 No.407980

Libertarianism is making a comeback because it is the superior movement. Communism on the other hand is demonstrably incorrect.

I am a young adult. I was brought up in a non political household but have some strong views on all types of matters.

The way I see it, libertarianism is the most just political stance an individual can take. Let the individual make his own choice and limit the government.

Communism has failed and capitalism with the naturally occurring free market has won time and again.

I mean if communism was good then it wouldn't have crumbled under the power of western intelligence agencies.

Ergo communism is a weak failed system. Human rights abuses, failed economy.

I would just like to say that I think that the state should provide limited things like law and order (Courts, police and some bureaucracy), healthcare and then disability/pension
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 No.407992

I was shooting heroin and reading “The Fountainhead” in the front seat of my privately owned police cruiser when a call came in. I put a quarter in the radio to activate it. It was the chief.

“Bad news, detective. We got a situation.”

“What? Is the mayor trying to ban trans fats again?”

“Worse. Somebody just stole four hundred and forty-seven million dollars’ worth of bitcoins.”

The heroin needle practically fell out of my arm. “What kind of monster would do something like that? Bitcoins are the ultimate currency: virtual, anonymous, stateless. They represent true economic freedom, not subject to arbitrary manipulation by any government. Do we have any leads?”

“Not yet. But mark my words: we’re going to figure out who did this and we’re going to take them down … provided someone pays us a fair market rate to do so.”

“Easy, chief,” I said. “Any rate the market offers is, by definition, fair.”

He laughed. “That’s why you’re the best I got, Lisowski. Now you get out there and find those bitcoins.”

“Don’t worry,” I said. “I’m on it.”

I put a quarter in the siren. Ten minutes later, I was on the scene. It was a normal office building, strangled on all sides by public sidewalks. I hopped over them and went inside.

“Home Depot™️ Presents the Police!®️” I said, flashing my badge and my gun and a small picture of Ron Paul. “Nobody move unless you want to!” They didn’t.

“Now, which one of you punks is going to pay me to investigate this crime?” No one spoke up.

“Come on,” I said. “Don’t you all understand that the protection of private property is the foundation of all personal liberty?”

It didn’t seem like they did.

“Seriously, guys. Without a strong economic motivator, I’m just going to stand here and not solve this case. Cash is fine, but I prefer being paid in gold bullion or autographed Penn Jillette posters.”

Nothing. These people were stonewalling me. It almost seemed like they didn’t care that a fortune in computer money invented to buy drugs was missing.

I figured I could wait them out. I lit several cigarettes indoors. A pregnant lady coughed, and I told her that secondhand smoke is a myth. Just then, a man in glasses made a break for it.

“Subway™️ Eat Fresh and Freeze, Scumbag!®️” I yelled.

Too late. He was already out the front door. I went after him.

“Stop right there!” I yelled as I ran. He was faster than me because I always try to avoid stepping on public sidewalks. Our country needs a private-sidewalk voucher system, but, thanks to the incestuous interplay between our corrupt federal government and the public-sidewalk lobby, it will never happen.

I was losing him. “Listen, I’ll pay you to stop!” I yelled. “What would you consider an appropriate price point for stopping? I’ll offer you a thirteenth of an ounce of gold and a gently worn ‘Bob Barr ‘08’ extra-large long-sleeved men’s T-shirt!”

He turned. In his hand was a revolver that the Constitution said he had every right to own. He fired at me and missed. I pulled my own gun, put a quarter in it, and fired back. The bullet lodged in a U.S.P.S. mailbox less than a foot from his head. I shot the mailbox again, on purpose.

“All right, all right!” the man yelled, throwing down his weapon. “I give up, cop! I confess: I took the bitcoins.”

“Why’d you do it?” I asked, as I slapped a pair of Oikos™️ Greek Yogurt Presents Handcuffs®️ on the guy.

“Because I was afraid.”

“Afraid?”

“Afraid of an economic future free from the pernicious meddling of central bankers,” he said. “I’m a central banker.”

I wanted to coldcock the guy. Years ago, a central banker killed my partner. Instead, I shook my head.

“Let this be a message to all your central-banker friends out on the street,” I said. “No matter how many bitcoins you steal, you’ll never take away the dream of an open society based on the principles of personal and economic freedom.”

He nodded, because he knew I was right. Then he swiped his credit card to pay me for arresting him.
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 No.407993

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 No.408007

>>407809
Lmao do you have any evidence of this?
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 No.408014

Being a Paleocon is the hip new thing grandpa.
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 No.408015

>>407980
nice pasta
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 No.408026

>>407980
>I would just like to say that I think that the state should provide limited things like law and order (Courts, police and some bureaucracy), healthcare and then disability/pension

This could be literally anything -but- Libertarianism lol.
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 No.408027

>>407993
First of all, before opening my statement, I would like you to know that I will write this entire post using only my middle finger.

Now, I do understand that you have nothing to say to me other than dismissal and mockery.

When lresented with sheer facts, such as freedom is superior to communism, your only response is to post funny green caricatures. This is because you know I am right deep down.

Libertarianism is on the rise and you can't stop us. We live rent free in your heads. You pay rent to live in our homes. It's that simple.

Every single smart communist country has already converted into a free market and dropped communism like the hot garbage it is.
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 No.408035

>>408027
This is ironic right?
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 No.408046

>>408027
>Libertarianism is on the rise and you can't stop us
Giga cope
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 No.408048

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First of all, before opening my statement, I would like you to know that I will write this entire post using only my uncircumcised penis.

Now, I do understand that you have nothing to say to me other than dismissal and mockery.

When lresented with sheer facts, such as industrial civilization has been a disaster for the human race, your only response is to post funny green caricatures. This is because you know I am right deep down.

Anti Technological Revolution is on the rise and you can't stop us. We live rent free in your heads. You pay rent to live in our cabins. It's that simple.

Every single smart individual has already converted into a free human and dropped technology like the hot garbage it is.
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 No.408054

>>407721
Maybe. But they feel oppressed by the powers that be. And the powers that be are endorses of #"Marxism"TM @2021 . Where else would they know to turn to now that Trump is persona non grata in the main stream?
>>407736
sounds like a plan
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 No.408205

What the fuck are you talking about? Libertarians were the ones who supported Trump so what the fuck are you on?
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 No.408209

>>408027
I can smell the doritos and mountain dew from here, good lord.
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 No.408217

>>408205
Lol no they were not
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 No.408224

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 No.408249

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Things turn into their opposites.

(1) Tea Party.

(2) Trump rally.

(3) Capitol meltdown (transition back to Tea Party)
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 No.408265

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>>407748
I thought they became Nazis because of that. Now they're becoming libertarians because of that. Oh well. Maybe in a few years after they march around with libertarian flags – they'll march over here, march over there, etc. – they'll get bored and come back around to being Nazis who embrace the American empire again.

(My most successful meme)
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 No.408268

>>408265
>Muh alt right recommendations
>Turner diaries
And these people dare to ask why the FBI is on them.
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 No.408364

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 No.408366

>>407721
A ton of this shit seems like reddit/discord autismo, terminally online bullshit
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 No.408523

Obviously, on the internet, there is a tendency to only see what you want to see. Or as The Last Psychiatrist put it "if you're reading it, it's for you"

That said, my feeling is lolberts aren't taken seriously by the left or the right anywhere. The left views them as children with magical thinking, the right views them as idiots Who Dont Get It (generally laying the blame of economic problems at the feet of Jews/Elite Cabal and/or mass immigration, rather than the lolbert view which is that government intervention is to blame for all our ills)

I don't think it's making a comeback at all. I think it peaked around ~2012-2014 and has been nosediving in popularity ever since. There's a sense in which an obsession with "freedom" might make a comeback especially as a result of repressive lockdowns all over the world, but I think that feeling will pale in comparison to the economic suffering that will cause many to realize that security pisses all over a fantasy notion of liberty.
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 No.408530

We're in for a huge propertarianism collapse when the crypto bubbles finally burst. Will the left be ready to bring these disillusioned people into our fold?
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 No.408651

>>408265
You need to re-read what you replied to. They are recruting from the left and progressives in particular
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 No.408695

>>407992
this copy pasta slaps so hard
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 No.409526

>>407721
I've noticed it too, but it seems like this new wave of libertarianism has fundamentally shifted to be slicker, more blatantly pro-corporate, and more in line with neoliberalism. I think this represents a long-standing convergence between the "radical right" and the neoliberal establishment. I agree with the post here >>407736 that libertarianism is just the form the right takes when in opposition, and as such, I think it would be useful to look at how this libertarianism has manifested during three different periods of Democrat presidency (Clinton, Obama, and Biden).

Under Clinton, the right-wing, libertarian opposition was both far more "radical" and far more willing to work with outright fascism. We saw a growth in millenarian religious cults, militia movements, and various neo-fascist orgs that all held a sort of informal alliance. Sure, there could always be a thin level of deniability for the libertarians, but they'd always go out of there way to attack the "government mishandling/persecution" of fed actions against these orgs. Over this period, we saw neo-fascism and libertarianism align in instances of right-wing terrorism such as Waco, Ruby Ridge, the Oklahoma City Bombing and others, where the neo-fascist ideology always contained ideological and organizational ties with militia orgs and other libertarian movements. In this period, even Murray Rothbard sought an alliance with the KKK. What we saw, through the small-scale attacks and the compounds, was a libertarianism that was both well divorced from the Democratic Third-Way neoliberalism (at least on a surface level, the two still complemented each other as fascism always does under liberalism) and well unified with neo-fascism.

Under Obama, it's worth noting that libertarianism became far more mild. Rather than verging towards outright insurrection and far-right unity, the movement became far more mild and almost solely "anti-government". Here we saw the South Park libertarians and the nu-atheist libertines who would argue about being "socially liberal, fiscally conservative". Gone were the Klan-allying Austrians and armed militias, replaced with far more neutered counterparts like Ron Paul and the Tea Party. Oh sure, you could still find the Austrians and the militiamen, but they were now far more fringe. This libertarianism, due to its relatively socially-progressive nature and utter disarmament, represented a fundamental convergence with neoliberalism. Now, provided that the Democratic neoliberalism would be willing to privatize, deregulate, and otherwise bend over for porky, the libertarians would be perfectly cordial (besides the rapidly dying contingent of old, hardcore republicans). Coincidentally, it's worth noting that this also represented a divergence between the radical neo-fascist right and the libertarian right, having gone from a relatively unified 90s militia-right to two camps of "armed gay couples with weed farms" libertarianism and Stormfront /pol/ neo-fascism. Of course, these two camps would quickly unify the second the right took back power under Trump.

Now, under Biden, it's interesting to see how libertarianism is starting to emerge. From what I can tell, libertarianism has never been more conciliatory to modern capitalism. Sure, libertarianism has always been pro-capitalism, but it was always more in favor of capitalism in theory (ie Austrian pipe dreams where everybody freely exchanges everything in pure competitive propertarianism) rather than capitalism in practice (ie Keynesian intervention, massive monopolies, "corporatism", etc.). Hell, even Bookchin said that Rothbard and his anarcho-capitalism far more resembled primitive accumulation than what we'd know as capitalism. By contrast, modern libertarianism seems to be much more willing to fellate the actually-existing corporate boot. I think this is best shown by the recent libertarian phenomenon of "grind culture", where they are obsessed with crypto, technology, the stock market, and defending billionaires like Musk and Bezos. It seems that libertarianism, if not still containing vestiges of anti-governmental ideology, have managed to find themselves a comfortable, non-confrontational niche within the neoliberal gig economy. They seem to finally be getting used to a capitalism that is not quite as laissez-faire and propertarian as they'd like. In contrast, if we look at libertarianism's previous allies in neo-fascism, the fascists have been almost entirely divorced from any semblance of a broad-right coalition (let alone reality), now embroiled in constant infighting, honeypot insane orgs like Atomwaffen, and just a general radicalism so absurd that it will never have a place in modern neoliberalism.

I hope this little sketch shows that libertarianism, while having always defended capitalism, is now coming more to terms with actually-existing capitalism. The Clinton-Era Neo-Nazi-aligned militiamen and the Obama-era Ron Paul neckbeards have now given way to grindset grifters, crypto nerds and Musk stans. This whole process has been, if I were to give my best historical guess, the gradual maturation of libertarianism from its radical Friedmanite genesis under Reagan to a now matured libertarianism that can handle occasional keynesianism and woke politics. It essentially has stripped libertarianism of anything potentially dangerous to neoliberal capitalism, and has now completed its transformation of libertarianism into outright, no-holds-barred bootlicking. As a former libertarian who remembers a time when Hoppe and armed "Happenings" were all the rage, it's honestly kind of tragic to see libertarianism accept its place as a total grift.

tldr; Libertarianism today has gone from bootlicking of an ideal, reactionary capitalism to bootlicking of our modern neoliberal capitalism
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 No.409552

>>408530
The left should take advantage of the crypto bubble by actually doing it better. It has been an open criticism for years now that Bitcoin’s volatility is because it divorces the difficulty of mining Bitcoin from the amount of Bitcoin produced. As in, the difficulty is regulated by how quickly new blocks are mined, they’re supposed to be mined every 10 minutes. When the protocol notes that it is being mined faster or slower, it adjusts the difficulty. So as the amount of computer power going into mining Bitcoin increases or decreases, the difficulty adjusts.

But unlike most other commodities when the difficulty adjusts the output doesn’t! It’s arbitrarily fixed, right now at 6.5 per block I think, and it halves periodically. Imagine if the price of cars was skyrocketing, so capitalists started investing more and more money into making cars. But as they invested more money, the same amount of cars kept rolling out. They kept building more factories and hiring more people, but 10,000 cars just kept rolling out every year. Under classical value theory you’d expect the price to keep going up, because the value per coin is actually rising, the material cost per coin rises with its rising difficulty of production. But this rising price just causes more speculators to come over, making the price rise higher, bringing in more miners and making the value per Bitcoin rise. It’s a virtuous cycle, though it can just as easily go the other way.

But there is a very simple fix to that problem. You just make it so that the amount of the crypto produced is a ratio of the difficulty. As in, when the difficulty goes up to keep the blocks regularly spaced apart, the amount rewarded per block goes up too as a ratio of the rising difficulty. So the price begins to stabilize and oscillate around a natural price, much like other commodities. Then you have your digital cash, your decentralized currency or whatever, but also it’s basically a proof of concept for how value and price work.
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 No.409596

>>409526
The sigma male meme is when libertarianism lost all of it's edge, or at least signaled it's death. Unlike the transformative alpha, the sigma accepts his fate and tries to live on the fringes. He is always grinding while the alpha lives powerfully. The sigma is basically the buck broken alpha, a powerful figure of neoliberalism while the alpha is chaos incarnate commie and also fascist as a symbol. I think that the radical energies of the 2010's wll subside as woke libertarianism takes it's hold. A fusion between peterson-esque grindset responsibility and woke capitalism.
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 No.409860

Libertarians from ten years ago are the sovereign citizens of today. Notice how sovcits these days love the don't tread on me flag, bitcoin and yellow flag. Old sovcits weren't all like this.
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 No.410078

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>>407721
I know a zionist right-libertarian who unironically reads Rand and Nietzsche. I introduced him to "The Individual and his Property" and he started reading it. I can sense that the egopill is digesting. He is the only right-lib I know personally, so I doubt the libertarian movement is making a comeback. You can't use the internet to measure changes in political trends, anon. Basically >>408366 this
>>408048
Ted was a burger so he likely had a cut cock
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 No.410165

>>410078
based egoanon, stirner is wonderful as a gateway to the left for libertarians.
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 No.410167

>>409596
>I think that the radical energies of the 2010's wll subside as woke libertarianism takes it's hold. A fusion between peterson-esque grindset responsibility and woke capitalism.
so basically the 1990s redux then, complete with "californian ideology" on steroids

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