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 No.407568

None of these spanish socialists are prepared for long term combat
>they have no food sources
>they have no body protection like bullet proof vests or helmets
>they have no ammo supplies
>they have no medical supplies
>they have no self preservational skills or tools
>they're completely disorganized and are just letting a bunch of asshats with rifles and funny hats try starting a civil war with equipment they got from neighboring countries
These people have spent so much of their time arguing over which idea of running an economy would work without barring the inefficiencies and systems of exploitation under capitalism over actually building that socialist utopia that when they actually try to apply their ideas in historical context it completely fails not necessarily because socialism cant work(because it has or at least well enough that socialists under it lived under better conditions compared to most of the planet) but because of the people trying to achieve communism through socialism and the level of incompetence and blatant displays of irresponsibility present in leadership. Oh well
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 No.407578

>they have no food sources
how the fuck can you tell that from a picture?
>they have no body protection like bullet proof vests or helmets
helmets is one thing but bulletproof vests? niqqa it's 1936
>they have no ammo supplies
they had enough to prosecute the war until 1939
>they have no medical supplies
they had enough to prosecute the war until 1939
>they have no self preservational skills or tools
what does this mean? like they don't have the skills of an American schizo prepper in Montata?

they ultimately failed but not for these asinine reasons. listening to people like you is walking out of the frying pan into the fire.
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 No.407582

Why do people think they can make a sweeping judgement off of one picture? Do you not understand the saying 'a picture is worth a thousand words'?
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 No.407593

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>>407578
>how the fuck can you tell that from a picture?
Because literally none of them have backpacks or some type of container holding food in it
>helmets is one thing but bulletproof vests? niqqa it's 1936
<bullet proof vests were not a thing back then
Pic rel
>they had enough to prosecute the war until 1939
<Using the same excuse 3 times, I could understand if it was late into the war at a bar minimum of 8 months but they started off unprepared and ended off shot
>what does this mean?
Most armies build camps and have been for quite a while in human history because wars can last for fuck tons of time and you dont want your troops starving to death in the middle of a march, what's apparent here is that none of these revolutionaries have the skills or are organized enough to even make shelter when supplies run low
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 No.407600

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None of these rhodesian rightists are prepared for long term combat
>they have no food sources
>they have no body protection like bullet proof vests or helmets
>they have no ammo supplies
>they have no medical supplies
>they have no self preservational skills or tools
>they don't even have sleeves, trouser legs, or razorblades
>they're completely disorganized and are just letting a bunch of asshats with rifles and funny hats try starting a civil war with equipment they got from neighboring countries
These people have spent so much of their time arguing over which racial slur was funniest without even considering the inefficiencies and systems of trying to have 4% of the population rule over the other 96% over actually building that white utopia that when they actually try to apply their ideas in historical context it completely fails.
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 No.407604

>>407600
Okay that's not wrong but what's that gotta do with the OP?
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 No.407606

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>>407593
>Because literally none of them have backpacks or some type of container holding food in it
True, they aren't uniformly supplied.
>Pic rel
Not one army in the interwar or WWII period supplied its infantry with armored vests en masse. If at all manufactured, they were distributed very sparingly.
>what's apparent here is that none of these revolutionaries have the skills or are organized enough to even make shelter when supplies run low
Now you're imagining George Washington at Valley Forge or something? No, the Spanish civil war was a modern conflict with elongated front lines and lines of communication and logistics chains. The republican side was weaker in this than the nationalist side, to be sure. But they were in no way as primitive as you're suggesting.
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 No.407618

>>407606
Fair argument considering the time it was but still I believe that this is gonna make a mark on how socialists are perceived on this board and worldwide, they should've at least tried planning a bit more ahead because my christ looking at that image made me more scared about what would happen to them if they met an actually trained an supplied soldier than what they could cause to spain
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 No.407632

Anarchist units would sometimes disintegrate and flee in battles, whereas Communist units made up some of the toughest crack units of the war.
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 No.407656

>>407604
it's a photo of the Selous Scouts, one of the more effective parts of the reasonably effective Rhodesian army. that unit specifically existed for like twice as long as the spanish civil war lasted and rhodesia lasted longer than the spanish republic. but of course, rhodesia was also defeated in the end. so it's a two-step message: 1. the most important thing is what's not in the picture (i.e. their planning, tactics, logistic network, etc.), 2. what's not "in the picture" is often not even military (rhodesia was doomed by demography and economics more than by a failure of military strategy or force.)
but don't read this as jerking off rhodesia, rhodesia was transparently stupid (turns out demography and economics are important!) and part of the reason they were picked was to make fun of their "aesthetic"
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 No.408377

>>407656
Their military strategy was also at fault at their defeat. By antagonizing village populace they allowed more rebels to joing Mugabe. They did not have enough resource to run a protracted war, something they were doing. All of this just to stall anything that would upend the aparthaid status quo. Which is why after the rocket attack at their strategic Oil Depot, they had to relinquish.
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 No.408411

>>407568
>None of these spanish socialists are prepared for long term combat
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 No.408415

>>408411
>productive forces
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 No.408688

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>This image told me not just so much about anarchists but socialists in general
This is so fucking stupid, these were civilian militias staffed by regular civilians, very few of whom had any combat experience. In many cases, they were just people from the largest city in the region, or local peasants, who fought infrequently (many city dwellers only came out on the weekends). This is not a real army. And despite their poor equipment, lack of training, bad organization, and abysmal odds of winning, they were able to stave off the fascist advance far longer than anyone expected.
The Red Army completely debunks this entire argument, by the end of the war it was probably the best organized fighting force in Europe. But good organization and equipment isn't the deciding factor. I'm sure you can make the same argument from a single picture of the Viet Cong, you won't, because you know they won, but you could. Motivation is incredibly important, at the very least the militias were highly motivated.
The fact you think you can gauge military effectiveness by a single picture with no context means you're terminally retarded and beyond saving. I refuse to believe this isn't bait.
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 No.409274

Bitch it took the greatest powers of the world 2 years of WW1 to figure out helmets and you want workers militia to spontaneously open kevlar factories? It's amazing the ramshackle coalition was able to organize hundreds of thousands of fighters virtually from scratch
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 No.409303

>>407593
soldiers don't carry food or all their equipment everywhere they go even guerrillas that where carrying their homes on their backs would drop their backpacks in combat
>bullet proof vests were not a thing back then
I bet those can't stop rifle rounds
>>407618
autism
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 No.409306

>>407593
>Because literally none of them have backpacks or some type of container holding food in it
lmao what? not every combat deployment in the time necessitated a full backpack on you at all times filled with food, they probably had a local mess and barracks because (for the most part) the defensive lines were static or moving predictably. combat in the early 20th century is far different from the 21st.
>Pic rel
lel where would a basically militia force get bulletproof vests when not even the Spanish military had them in great number? even the deployment of simple things like flak jackets were incredibly limited in very well supplied military forces like the US.
>Most armies build camps and have been for quite a while in human history because wars can last for fuck tons of time and you dont want your troops starving to death in the middle of a march, what's apparent here is that none of these revolutionaries have the skills or are organized enough to even make shelter when supplies run low
or they just have a pre-existing camp behind the lines and they are rotated in and out of the battle? Like most of WW1 and WW2 was fought.

retard
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 No.409310

>>407656
also to be fair, the Rhodesians had endless military aid coming from the West the entire time while the Spanish Republicans were under a hard blockade from the British and French while the Germans and Italians flooded weapons and volunteers to the Nationalists with impunity.
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 No.409338

>>409310
bruh rhodesians where embargoed I think their only allies where south africa and israel
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 No.409482

>>409338
by the end yes but towards the beginning? no. though it is funny that Israel supported them basically until the end.
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 No.409492

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>NOOO YOU HAVE TO JUST GO BLINDLY INTO THINGS AS GLOBE SPANNING AS ECONOMICS SURELY THIS WILL NEVER END BADLY
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 No.409494

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>>407593
How the fuck do you think wars are started? The civil war wasn't something that was planned for and accounted between governments. Peasants literally rose up in response to the encroachment of fascism spontaneously. No shit they were "unprepared" and they still carved out an unprecedented level of control over their region and they still managed to cobble together a, some what, functioning economic in the middle of a multi-polar civil war based on a socialistic mode of production.
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 No.409495

>>409482
ideological brothers don't betray one another, israel is just modern day rhodesia.
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 No.409673

These tank obsessed and military autists are probably one the worst sets of the online left.

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