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 No.404497

Anyone know what's going on here? Are there any /ourguys/ in there or? Who are the different sides aligned with geopolitically? Is the TPLF based or cringe? Are they Maoist?

Also what do we think of the old Soviet aligned Dergue government?
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 No.404506

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 No.404627

>>404497
TPLF glows like the sun.
That said it seems that sadly they're gonna win, cause Ethiopian army seems to be absolute dogshit at fighting them.
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 No.404705

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>Miss me yet?
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 No.404717

>>404705
wrong country
also he started a war against Ethiopia due to nationalist autism
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 No.404743

Ethiopian here. TPLF is primarily an ethnonationalist armed group that used a bastardisation of socialist principles to divide a diverse country on ethnic lines and enrich themselves in the process.

Ethiopia has some 85+ different ethnic groups. The tplf arose in the 70s in opposition to the communist Derg regime. The derg, for all their flaws, had a truly pan-ethnic ethos - a lot of the leadership were from minority or historically marginalised groups. because the derg was killing so many damn people, insurgencies starting growing in strength. the tplf was one of these. they're from the region where ethiopian civilization basically originated (axumite empire, dmt) but for various reasons, the centre of power moved from there.

in their manifesto, they identified one ethnic group, the amhara as their eternal enemy - amharas are related to tigres, and dominated the old empire after the decline of Axum. of course 95+ percent of them were landless serfs.

the tplf, with other ethnonationalist rebel groups defeated the derg in 1991. when they came to power, they divided the country on ethnic lines - there were 11 or 12 "states" in which only the people identified as "indigenous" could own land. now this was a problem in Ethiopia because so much of the population is mixed between ethnicities, people have migrated to different parts of the country for centuries, and a pan-ethnic cosmopolitan inclusive identity did exist, and allowed the country to remain independent in the face of colonialism.

although in theory they claimed that the system they were creating was to correct historical oppression and end the domination of one group over the other, in practice, they monopolised power within the hands of people of their ethnic group (about 6 per cent of the population). over half the generals, most of the special forces, were from that ethnic group. people i personally knew, their families got rich for being affiliated with the tplf and getting lucrative government contracts/access to zero interest loans from state banks. the tplf essentially created an oligarch class from people of their ethnic group - it appears from the beginning, their endgame was eventual separation from ethiopia.

people opposed them pretty much from the beginning of their time in power. in 2005, an election was held, in which preliminary results showed the tplf getting its ass handed to them across the board, and especially in the capital, with people voting for anti-sectarian, unionist parties en masse. they hijacked the vote counting process and eventually declared victory - people protested, and there was a bloody crackdown which killed hundreds.

in 2012, tplf's leader and architect of their ethnic federalist system died. this was the beginning of the end of their time in power - his replacement was a token minority with little power. the entrenched tplf elite still basically called the shots. protests increased throughout the mid-2010s and the puppet pm resigned. in steps abiy ahmed.

i'm no fan of abiy at all with his neolib inclinations and general evangelical retardation. i'm not even sure what his agenda really is. but in the last three years, people have been backing him. tplf retained power in tigray and used the last few years to build up an armed force - the tplf-created constitution allows each federal subject to have its own "special police", essentially allowing each region to have its own armed forces separate from the national army. according to their own claims, they had a 250k man fighting force last year.

at the same time, ethnic violence across the country was escalating, possbily encouraged by tplf actors. amhara peasants have been targetted and murdered by oromo extremists for their connection to the imperial past, even though the majority were and still are dirt poor peasants. oromo extremists also killed ethnic somalis and people of smaller ethnic groups. extremists from the gumuz ethnic group have also targetted amharas, oromos and agews for the same reason (being "settlers", "colonizers" etc), possibly sponsored by egypt (this is happening in the same province the dam is being built in).

in november, the tplf used its "special police" to attack the national army stationed in tigray. at first they claimed the army defected, then admitted they did a "lightning strike" to incapacitate the army and seize heavy weaponry. their official line is that they did this anticipating an "invasion" by the army (lol the army invading its own country) but had the army really been preparing for such an op, i doubt they would have been caught unprepared and rolled over in November.

i think the tplf expected to march straight back to addis in november, but they were quickly overturned by a combination of the national army, "special police" from other regions and peasant militias. in 3 weeks, they had lost every urban centre in tigray. i should also mention in the first week of the war they did a pretty horrendous massacre in mai kadra - they deny this, however the victims were from other ethnic groups (primarily amharas) and for me, the smoking gun is how none of the tplf affiliates I know (including the daughter of one their main commanders and former chief of staff of the whole ethiopian army) even mention the incident in their propaganda releases on social media.

however, then the real shit started: they basically activated their population to fight the national army. here's where their pseudo-maoist roots come in with the whole protracted peoples war and stuff - they hid arms and ammunition everyhwere, peoples houses, churches, graveyards, and used those to attack the army. the army retaliated in the characteristically heavy handed way and started doing terrible things - executing any young men they could find in the aftermath of attacks, all that kind of stuff.

apparently this pushed people to join the tplf - and i'm sure this was their plan. i'm sure this was their thinking behind the mai kadra massacre too, to invite retaliation on the civilian population. all the while, they launched a properly concerted effort on social media to shed light on the alleged genocide happening in tigray - they've also obviously hired some lobbying groups in the US (trust me, I personally know many of these people and they're insanely rich, living in the west) so the international spotlight is on us. in june, they appear to have scored a big victory over our army.

abiy ahmed has many many fucking questions to answer, but wont. people are worried that this may bring about the disintegration of the country. during the tplf's 27 years in power, they actively weakened any unionist, inclusive identity as being "amhara fascism and chauvinism" and actively deepened sectarian divides. this is all bearing fruit now. people are mobilising in every corner of the country to fight the tplf (they are despised by literally the whole country) but they are making advances lately. the situation is precarious.
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 No.404764

If Ethiopia collapses the shockwaves could be felt all across Africa.
Imagine Yugoslavia collapse but three times the size and with two unstable countries at its borders.
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 No.404785

The organization is like a drug cartel, they've been destroyed god knows how many times but they also keep reforming themselves over and over again because the cancerous ideas present in eritrea keep inspiring more asshats to join it much like how a drug cartel can be destroyed over and over again but with more asshats joining it because there are incentives too be a part of a cartel even if those incentives make little sense on paper. I doubt the tplf will ever accomplish anything than being a general pest to Ethiopias national security because no one I and I repeat no member of that organization has any long term thinking skills about what they plan to do if they actually win otherwise they wouldn't have started a war in the first place
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 No.404839

>>404785
That's probably right.
Even with that considered they're driving Ethiopia to the brink of collapse though, and i can't see Ethiopia getting out of this unscathed.
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 No.404843

>>404717
Yeah, and if he had succeeded, Greater Somalia would reign supreme and TPLF autism would be crushed
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 No.404852

>>404743
Based effort posting. That's why I love /leftypol/
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 No.404929

>>404743
Incredible post, thank you. I've seen some retard Maoists praise the TPLF for some fucking reason lmao (probably just because aesthetics and having "people's" and "liberation" and "front" in the name).
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 No.404946

>>404743
I should probably add that for whatever reason, western media appears to have picked tplf as its latest champion. nothing is more disheartening than reading "reporting" about a topic that you're personally and intimately familiar with, and how they frame these retards as some kind of heroes standing up for the "self determination" is nauseating.

I mean their corruption during their time in power is the least of my criticisms of them. that happens anywhere and their dengist-esque economic policy was by and large solid. but sowing the seeds of sectarian violence is by far their biggest sin - either for ideological retardation or just cynical divide and conquer, they've pitted the country against eachother and there's extremists groups of various ethnic groups who view their dirt poor neighbours of other ethnicities as some kind of "colonizers". damn the fact that all of the last few emperors were of mixed ethnicity, or that at least half of ethiopians are mixed at least from their grandparents, or that people of every ethnicity and religion came together to defend the country. they literally disenfranchised a good half of the population that was born outside of their ethnic group's designated "homeland" as well as validating backwards and regressive tribalism. marrying politics to ethnicity is a complete fucking disaster.

I struggle to think of a ruling party that was actively hostile to the concept of the country it was ruling. the divides that they have sown will be extremely difficult to overcome and I feel any other african country would have collapsed over 2 decades ago if subjected to the same divisive forces. at least theres a millenia old concept of statehood that people can cling onto in ethiopia.

but how western media uncritically reports tplf talking points, glosses over the mai kadra massacre (which to this day is the single biggest confirmed mass killing of the war - when they do mention it, they act like the perpetrators are disputed), doesnt even mention that there's literal obvious children in the tplf ranks (but they do post photos of the child soldiers - validating it) is disgusting. for months, all western institutions and countries were demanding ethiopia calls a ceasefire. after the big defeats in late june, abiy ahmed tries to declare a ceasefire to cover his ass, which tplf ignores. the tplf then invades neighbouring provinces - complete silence from the west.

whats worse is that while tplf was in power, it committed all kinds of horrendous abuses - the 2005 election massacre, annexing lands from other ethnic groups and brutally prosecuting resisters, conducting a brutal counterinsurgency on our somali population to fight a seccessionist group, doing an actual pogrom of a small ethnic group called agnuak in 2002 to secure big agrobusiness deals for their cadres. this is just scratching the surface. all of this was happening while the west was our steadfast ally, barely saying a word about all the abuses being committed.

for whatever reason, we're the big bad guy in western media now.
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 No.404956

>>404946
The reason is that you were a nation on the rise with 110+ million inhabitants and improving ties with China and Russia.
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 No.404958

>>404946
Any thoughts on Eritrea and their role in this? The Swedish-Eritrean Amnesty International spook who Briahna Joy Gray interviewed on her podcast seemed to wanna paint Eritrea as the big bad guys. I know literally nothing about Eritrea but it seems like they're an Official Enemy Country so I'm skeptical of any claims made about them and their part in this.
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 No.404967

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>>404929
funny seeing maoists and the CIA support a country with this emblem
>>404843
only ideal solution
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 No.404979

>>404743
>people are worried that this may bring about the disintegration of the country.
>people are mobilising in every corner of the country to fight the tplf (they are despised by literally the whole country)
>became an ethnic oligarch class
>pop. of 7 mil. in a country of 117 mil.
I find it distasteful to have my class struggle be tainted by ethnic conflict, but if this goes badly for them, you get what you fucking deserve.
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 No.405107

>>404958
I have very mixed feeling about eritrea and i hope this doesnt come across as bullshit nationalism. but i really dont think they should have ever seceded, considering how similar our cultures are, how are histories are intertwined and how we've basically always been a part of the same polity save for a 40 year italian occupation of eritrea and 10 years of british "administration". i dont think they would have gotten independence had the derg not been full of violent retards, and the tplf literally giving away our entire country's coastline when they came to power is a baffling move.

eritrea is ruled by a proper autocrat and its in a pretty sorry state. i went in 2019 after they reopened the borders, and my uncle who went with me said it literally hadnt changed since he last saw it in the 80s (while ethiopian cities have developed rapidly). theres a reason why such a large part of their population leaves the country (many ethiopians leave too but proportionally way more eritreans..many come to ethiopia) they claim theyre independent of any 'imperialist' international institutions, but really its nothing to brag about considering the state of their country.

having said all that, their leadership was feuding with the tplf since both of them were fighting the derg. so they viewed this conflict as a prime time to get rid of the tplf. i do regret their involvement in the conflict, and now i notice i havent mentioned it - it was decisive in initially collapsing the tplf, but they are implicated in serious abuses. the ethiopian army is as well, but the eritreans seemed to have been doing more.

this i'm sure helped rally people to the tplf, since 3 decades of propaganda has made tigrayans hate eritreans (even though over half of eritrea is literally tigre speakers, functionally the same people). i mean 3 decades of tplf propaganda also turned tigres against ethiopia, when they were always some of the most patriotic ethiopians and the origin or our civilisation. its incredible to see tigrayans burning the ethiopian flag, whose first appearance is in a 10th century tapestry in that same region, in favor of a weird party's aberration.

i think the long-term presence of the eritreans was ultimately detrimental to the campaign. they should have been withdrawn after the initial campaign which routed the tplf in november - after that, the government should probably have held onto urban areas and focus on eliminating leaders instead of mounting a brutal counterinsurgency. the eritreans presence was a rallying call for the tplf.
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 No.412962

bump
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 No.412978

>>404743
Great post thank you comrade

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