/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>401139
……but this idea seems to work for some MLs. Sorry I let the post unfinished.

>>401139
>All of these seem to be Marxist-Leninists that name their parties either socialist or some other populist concoction of a name.
please dispose of yourself in the nearest ditch

Marxism-Leninism is a tool for analysis, a worldview and a guide to action. You don't have to write "revolutionary communism" on your banners when you do not think the conditions are ready for it. Clearly Peru Libre does not think the election of Castillo constitutes some sort of socialist revolution.
>Is there an advantage to doing this?
I mean, communism, Marxism-Leninism… really, burgers will be spooked about each of those terms. Bernie Sanders normalized the word socialism, but boomers think "socialism leads to communism" and all that Facebook sharepic bullshit.

The "people's party" is a liberal grift that's actively hostile to leftists. It makes more sense to work in the US Green party if you're actually serious about a strategy like that.

Makes sense OP since "Marxism-Leninism" isn't communist.

>>401195
Every single thread there is this one user having a massive hate boner for the People's Party claiming dumb shit about them.
>Green Party
lol, imagine hating the People's Party and then shilling for the Greens. The Greens have been around since decades with little to show for, and their label of "Green politics" has limited attractiveness as people perceive it as a one-issue party. Also, all their sister parties, with which they are still in the same Green international, that gained prominence turned into absolutely disgusting neoliberal sell-outs once they got near power.

>>401197
>look mom, I said it again!

>>401201
>claiming dumb shit
Do you dispute that they have turned down working with socialists in the past?

Note that I said if you're actually serious about a strategy like that. It's the best option but of course not optimal. Every bad thing that can be said about the Greens can be said about the people's party grift and then some. The people's party has worse politics (liberal socdem reforms and nothing else) than the Greens and they've adopted the same terrible non-profit oriented model that promotes opportunism and made the Greens so ineffective in funding since Nader's 2000 election. They're looking to repeat the exact failures of the the last few decades all because their founder is an idealistic, historically illiterate grifter who seems to think the Republicans defeating the Whigs is the only relevant example of third parties in US history.

>>401201
>The Greens have been around since decades
Also important to note. There have been literally dozens of new progressive and even leftist parties formed since the '80s when the Greens were founded and yet somehow they are the only one that managed to stay alive and maintain a national presence with ballot access. Why is that? It's something worth studying. If you can't answer that question then your hopes of outdoing them with a new party (as if the mere fact that something is new can magically overcome massive systemic barriers) are incredibly quixotic.

>>401197
T. Embassador of Irrelevance

Lapicito thread? Lapicito Thread

maybe in other countries yeah the last thing american mls need is to cuck themselves even more to other parties tho

>>401229
also you gotta remember the whole entryism strategy is very dangerous not only because of cia fuckery but because it makes losing class independence really easy

>Should this be the path for the US?
Yes, there is no chance a party named "Communist" will win elections. I think we should go back to calling ourselves The League of the Just. It's such a based name.

>>401197
Got em

>>401201
I advocate for no party politics, no unions, only illegalism. Steal, cheat, take whatever you can and redistribute it. All parties will inevitably be turned into glows and co-opted, all unions will eventually become aristocrats, so it's best to operate outside the law.

>>401139
castillo isn’t a marxist, there is no 21st century socialism

>>402030
Retard lumpen who only will archieve been thrown to jail.

Yeah honestly tell me when Free Peru's program has been started to be implemented.
I've gotten very cynical about shit like this.

>>402163
Expect Correa results. Since the party doesn't have a majority in parlament and has the Fujimori's constitution bag.
The spirit is there, but there is so much one can do.

Frankly, there is so much one party can do without having all the power (in practice).
If not check what the communist party of Moldova did when it was elected.
Or the Nepalese are doing
Or the Kerala communists
I could count the Crypus communists but they are eurocommunists so they frankly don't count.

>>401139
>MAS in Bolivia, Free Peru in Peru, the Socialist Party of South Africa….All of these seem to be Marxist-Leninists that name their parties either socialist or some other populist concoction of a name. Is there an advantage to doing this?
I don't think MAS calls itself Leninist, Free Peru calls itself Leninist but they seem to be socdem/demsoc in practice, and I don't know anything about that South African Socialist Party. I don't consider any party to be a "true" Marxist-Leninist party if they take power through electoralism instead of revolution. Not that I think that's necessarily a bad thing, but I don't think we should be slapping a "Marxist-Leninist" label on everything either.
>Should this be the path for the US? I remember a debate between two MLs recently and it was over whether to forge ahead in the CPUSA or to run in the People's Party.
Third parties have been a dead end in the United States for decades. My thought would be to create a "pseudo-party" that acts like an independent party but runs candidates as Democrats to get elected. Kind of like DSA but with greater means of holding elected members accountable.