No.400583
>Dorothy Day (November 8, 1897 – November 29, 1980) was an American journalist, social activist and anarchist who, after a bohemian youth, became a Catholic without abandoning her social and anarchist activism. She was perhaps the best-known political radical among American Catholics.
>began as an anarchist/socialist
>read Marx and Kropotkin
>""ex"" communist
>part of the Catholic Worker Movement
>distributist
>sided with republicans in spanish civil war despite church being on francos side
>ww2 pacifist
>later associated with the new left
>praised castro and ho chi minh
>dunked on the new left and disliked free love, premarital sex & pot
>defended Solzhenitsyn
>visited the Kremlin
>Jailed while protesting with Cesar Chavez
<We believe in widespread private property, the de-proletarianizing of our American people. We believe in the individual owning the means of production, the land, and his tools. We are opposed to the "finance capitalism" so justly criticized and condemned by Karl Marx, but we believe there can be a Christian capitalism as there can be a Christian Communism. She also stated: "To labor is to pray – that is the central point of the Christian doctrine of work. Hence it is that while both Communism and Christianity are moved by 'compassion for the multitude,' the object of communism is to make the poor richer, but the object of Christianity is to make the rich poor and the poor holy."
>In November 1949, in the course of explaining why she had protested the recent denial of bail to several Communists, she wrote: "[L]et it be remembered that I speak as an ex-Communist and one who has not testified before Congressional Committees, nor written works on the Communist conspiracy. I can say with warmth that I loved the [communist] people I worked with and learned much from them. They helped me to find God in His poor, in His abandoned ones, as I had not found Him in Christian churches." She identified points on which she agreed with the communists: "from each according to his ability, to each according to his need" and the "withering away of the State." Others she added with qualifications: "the communal aspect of property as stressed by the early Christians." And she identified differences: "we disagree over and over again with the means chosen to reach their ends." She agreed that "Class war is a fact, and one does not need to advocate it," but posed the question of how to respond:
<The Communists point to it as forced upon them and say that when it comes, they will take part in it, and in their plans, they want to prepare the ground and win as many as possible to their point of view and for their side. And where will we be on that day? …We will inevitably be forced to be on their side, physically speaking. But when it comes to activity, we will be pacifists, I hope and pray, non-violent resisters of aggression, from whomever it comes, resisters to repression, coercion, from whatever side it comes, and our activity will be the works of mercy. Our arms will be the love of God and our brother.
>Regarding Fidel Castro's Cuba, she wrote in July 1961: "We are on the side of the revolution. We believe there must be new concepts of property, which is proper to man, and that the new concept is not so new. There is a Christian communism and a Christian capitalism. …We believe in farming communes and cooperatives and will be happy to see how they work out in Cuba. …God bless Castro and all those who are seeing Christ in the poor. God bless all those who are seeking the brotherhood of man because in loving their brothers, they love God even though they deny Him."
So, was she based or cringe?
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No.400589
Schizo
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No.400600
She was kind and well meaning but the institution that she defended through her representation (Catholic Church) collaborated with fascist regimes and spit on her memory by abandoning any pretense of worker protection when the USSR fell, along with refusing to canonize priests who realized just how nasty Franco was during the Spanish Civil War.
Perfect summary of Christianity as a faith I guess. You get the nice people doing what they can for others at the bottom and the institutional church and upper ranks of clergy dishonoring their memory with actions that would shock the faithful, while at the same time wanting to lay claim to the prestige of said honest workers because they themselves would never do such nice things.
Btw I'm Christian myself so I don't say this out of spite just a recognition of a common theme.
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No.401022
>>400600>flagposting opinion invalid
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No.401117
>>400583Based, atheists fuck off.
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No.401124
Can't wait till she gets cannonized.
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No.401127
Has the fedora archetype really fucked athiests up this bad that people will post christian shit all the time.
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No.401132
>>401117>>401127these zoomers became tradcaths to own the libs and uncuck themselves, but they don't know that this shit has been around more than a thousand years precisely to cuck you. they got countercucked.
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No.401138
>>401132why catholicism tho? Gnosticism seems like it would be genuinely anti establishment if they want to be christfags.
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No.401155
Of all Christian denominations I find it curious how catholics are the only ones who have openly criticized capitalism. Why is that?
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No.401158
>>401138i dunno, maybe because the Catholic Church already is more centralized? it's easier to latch onto a standardized set of aesthetics than everyone bitching about their special Presbyterian or Anabaptist sect. it's all about the aesthetics after all.
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No.401207
>>401155It's a highly centralized church that developed under feudal property relations. It has the most incentive to bitch about capitalism, and the most capacity to do so too.
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No.401212
>>401155Western churches have their power directly threatened by capitalism while eastern churches saw capitalism as a means to protect themselves from communism.
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No.401276
>defended Solzhenitsyn
FUCK YOU SCOTT PILGRIM
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No.401283
>>400589>internet psychoanalyst logs inSo, to be frank, my first impression of her is that she "supported" any popular cause that history threw at her, while leaving past struggles behind on a whim.
This isn't typical of schizophrenia, but that of good old hysteria (the variant of neurosis typically pertaining to normie women)…
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No.401289
>>400600>She was kind and well meaningCompletely meaningless, since this is an unmediated response to anything happening, typically riddled with moralism – which Marxists oppose.
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No.401292
>>401138By being a Gnostic you stop being a Christfag, because of the trinity.
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No.401299
>>401117>Marx, Engels, Bakunin, Kropotkin, Lenin, Malatesta, Makhno (etc.) fuck offWe tremblin.
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No.401321
>>401138iconography and aesthetics, its really a form of the meaningless consumerism they so often deride. thats why if they dont pretend to be catholics they pretend to be orthodox
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No.401327
>Catholic anything.
Disregard.
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No.401333
>>401327The revolution will be catholic
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No.401396
>>401155Protestantism was one of the first movements to be driven by bourgeois conciousness, the two go hand in hand
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No.401402
Why are so called "religious communists" (oxymoron) being shilled so hard these days here? It has to be one guy
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No.401415
She was not a leftist, she was an opportunist and tool of the pedo church. If she was actually a socialist, why did she never renounce her faith? Why didn’t she join the Communist Party? Where is her support for the Soviet Union?
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No.401418
>>401415This. She even denounced the CPUSA from what I recall.
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No.401422
>>401402People are afraid of being mocked for being atheists.
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No.401425
>>401418What a fucking lib. Is this site infested by Discord troons or something? Why is this shit tolerated?
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No.401429
>>401420Distributism is neo-feudalism.
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No.401439
ITT: whiteboy christfags from the suburbs who think they can be both loyal to the church and communism.
Do realize that the Catholic Church is falling apart as we speak. There's a record number of excommunications. Most Catholics in the West no longer practice. Plus, once you add in all the scandals, such as the pedo shit and residential schools, it makes the Church sink into deeper doodoo. I don't give the Vatican another 50 years before it's finally dismantled.
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No.401452
Italian here, if you like the catholic church so much we'll transfer the Vatican to your country, we'll foot the bill but you can't send them back. Deal?
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No.401457
>>401439The reminder the catholic church is majority non-white and has the most active members its ever had. Ironically this post is the most western centric shit in this thread.
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No.401460
>>401439its not communism though
also the catholic church has more followers today then ever before.
meanwhile communist regimes only last a single generation
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No.401463
>>401299Associating with those losers is for losers.
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No.401464
>>401333The Catholic Church has opposed every proletarian revolution, it supported fascism in Italy, Spain, Portugal and Croatia. Helped loads of nazis after 1945.
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No.401466
>>401464mainly because leftist revolutions last century were cringe atheists
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No.401467
>distributist
>disliked free love, premarital sex and pot
In the trash
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No.401473
>>401418>>401425<source: my ass>In the Catholic Worker in May 1951, Day wrote that Marx, Lenin, and Mao Tse-Tung "were animated by the love of brother and this we must believe though their ends meant the seizure of power, and the building of mighty armies, the compulsion of concentration camps, the forced labor and torture and killing of tens of thousands, even millions." She used them as examples because she insisted that the belief that "all men are brothers" required the Catholic to find the humanity in everyone without exception. She explained that she understood the jarring impact of such an assertion.
>Regarding Fidel Castro's Cuba, she wrote in July 1961: "We are on the side of the revolution. We believe there must be new concepts of property, which is proper to man, and that the new concept is not so new. There is a Christian communism and a Christian capitalism. …We believe in farming communes and cooperatives and will be happy to see how they work out in Cuba. …God bless Castro and all those who are seeing Christ in the poor. God bless all those who are seeking the brotherhood of man because in loving their brothers, they love God even though they deny Him."
>In 1971, Day visited Poland, the Soviet Union, Hungary, and Romania as part of a group of peace activists, with the financial support of Corliss Lamont, whom she described as a "'pinko' millionaire who lived modestly and helped the Communist Party USA." Day visited the Kremlin. She reported: "I was moved to see the names of the Americans, Ruthenberg and Bill Haywood, on the Kremlin Wall in Roman letters, and the name of Jack Reed (with whom I worked on the old Masses), in Cyrillac characters in a flower-covered grave." Ruthenberg was C. E. Ruthenberg, founder of the Communist Party USA. Bill Haywood was a key figure in the IWW. Jack Reed was the journalist better known as John Reed, author of Ten Days That Shook the World.This is why the world hates you irony-poisoned snakes.
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No.401478
>>401456The Vatican as always been a proponent of feudalism and "small scale" capitalism.
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No.401543
>>401466Atheism is the only way for communism. No mercy for the pathetic lackeys of capitalism who hide behind their gods and saints and preach servility.
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No.401855
>>401543>Atheism is the only way for communismhasn't really had much success tnh
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No.401901
>>401855>what is Albania>what is Czechia>what is China And even where it "didn't work" religious fundamentalismhas been neqrly exterminated.. Poland is an anomaly because of their special relationship to the Pope.
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No.402756
>>401992To the status quo? Yeah. Pretty much.
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No.402951
>>401127dorothy day was a well known leftist in burgerland, asking about hers no different than asking about eugene debs
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No.402953
>>401281i thought she was only considered to be a saint and isn't technically one yet?
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No.402955
>>401842unpopular =/= uncool.
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No.402969
>>401464And some of the greatest acts of resistance against corruption, capitalism and imperialism have come from Catholics. Liberation Theology didn't just pop out of nowhere.
The catholic church isn't the be all and end all for catholics abroad.
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No.402982
>>402969>>402971Latin American caths are based, european caths are cucked and porky pilled
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No.403004
>>402982They're scum, and I'm a spic myself
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No.403027
>>401457>>402982Most catholics are non European now. It’s mostly Latin America and Africa.
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No.403057
protestantism was somewhat arguably progressive in medieval times and also animated a number of movements for social justice in burgerland, for better or worse though as the current spate of wokeism can attest