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 No.400420

What it says on the tin. What do you think about Christian/Muslim/whatever communists? Should they be trusted to work along with leftists or are they reactionaries in comrade's clothing?
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 No.400429

As long as they support the communist cause it's okay. Several religions such as islam and buddhism tell you to do some charity or help others by various means. They are no reactionary, unless when he's a fundamentalist.
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 No.400476

>>400420
Organised Religion is casteist not classist so in that sense it is compatible.
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 No.400486

They are retarded, like every other religious person.
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 No.400492

>>400420
I think religion is like nationalism in a sense, it's neither good nor bad by itself. It all depends on the material condition and the class dynamics. If it's institutionalized and used to upold the current system (ex. The orthodox church in Tsarist Russia) it need to be combated, if it's used by colonized people to give itself an identity and as a rallying cry against the colonizer it can be supported.
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 No.400496

they don't exist.
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 No.400497

>>400496
What? So Islamic communists and Christian communists are just bs?

George Habash: am i a joke to you?
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 No.401014

>>400497
that sanduyghur couldn't properly build socialism if his life depended on it. Accepting literal death cults in society are mutually exclusive to building a functioning socialist society
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 No.401427

>>400429
>be kind to others
Its the worst when communists try to claim religions or religious figures with the flimsiest of justifications and the most maleficent of intentions. If only because there is the much easier argument of just "Well, x religion is conducive to socialism" which is so much more reasonable than "Jesus christ and the Budda were communist revolutiolunaries"
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 No.401438

>>400420
>>400496
Majority of communists globally are religious, western "left" is an exception.
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 No.401441

Pedos should not be trusted, why would I trust the followers of pedo religions?
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 No.401455

>>400420
Obligatory:

>"Religion is the sigh of the oppressed creature, the heart of a heartless world, and the soul of soulless conditions. It is the opium of the people."


Marxism is not about eradicating religion. It is not about destroying tradition and culture. It is about doing away with the economic circumstances which make people prefer to hide away from reality in religion.
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 No.401461

I think they're weak kneed. If you accept dialectical materialism then there's no reason not to be an atheist.
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 No.401465

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I don't really see communism taking hold without a religious backing
militant atheism is a lot more cringe then any religion
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 No.401468

>>401438
t. westerner
Also the DPRK, (which your flag represents) literally has a state atheism policy and one of the highest atheism percentages in the world, so stfu.
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 No.401474

All faiths have within them revolutionary tendencies.
Yes, even the one popular where you live. Especially that one.
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 No.401476

>>401438
>what is China
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 No.401484

>>401481
t. Adrian Zenz
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 No.401486

>>401484
sounds like a cope
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 No.401487

>>401481
1. That's just because of their massive population overall; their per capita religiosity is quite low.
2. Provide evidence that a significant % of those Chinese Christians are communists. I know that elsewhere in East Asia (Taiwan, Vietnam, South Korea) the Christians are the most anti-communist people in their countries.
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 No.401490

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 No.401493

>>401487
at least you're accepting of reality

The Pew Research Center's statistics show that atheism is expected to continue to decline all the way into 2050 with a continued growth of religion. Other research also shows a huge surge in growth for Christianity in China which is currently the world's most "atheist" nation because of the atheist communist government suppressing religion, the research suggests that China will soon become the world's most Christian nation within 15 years.

This is simply history repeating itself: Christianity prospered in Rome back in the ancient era when it was suppressed and it still grew in the militant atheist soviet Russia when it was suppressed there only a century ago with the majority of Russians today now also identifying as Christian. Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.
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 No.401500

>>401493
>Just goes to show that atheist suppression of religion still doesn't stop religion.
It doesn't INHERENTLY stop religion, but it can at least significantly decrease religiosity. Look at religion in western vs. eastern Germany for an example.
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 No.401504

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>>401500
>It doesn't INHERENTLY stop religion, but it can at least significantly decrease religiosity.
briefly
however it tends to have a reversal effect as it did is Russia and China
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 No.401505

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 No.401517

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>>401500
The only way to stop religiosity is having a ministry of religion lmao. It's why Assad managed to quell ISIS while the West failed to convert the Taliban. The countries where religion was most discredited in the West were the ones where there was a state religion, look at Europe vs. America.
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 No.401520

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>>401504
Eastern German is extremely irreligious and becomes even less religious with every generation. Eastern Germans born after the fall of the Berlin Wall are almost universally irreligious. You can see similar (though less extreme) results in most of ex-socialist Europe (Poland being the major exception). Yes, people are more willing to admit to being religious now than they were under state atheism, but that doesn't mean there's been a massive return to religion. And extrapolating the revival of religion in Eastern Europe to the situation in China is fallacious, because China is still under an ML government.
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 No.401521

as long as they are not kikes they are ok being atheist is still preferable
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 No.401525

>>400429
commies shouldnt do charity
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 No.401527

>>401520
And East Germans are becoming reactionaries.
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 No.401532

>>401520
I don't really care about Germany they're not too relevant
however China is becoming the world's most Christian nation and the eventual collapse of the CCP will just hasten this
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 No.401537

What is up with all these Islam threads? Can you guys just shut up about it for one day? Are Muslim the new boogeymen here? The USA is threatening Cuba as we speak and all you do is talk about Muslims all day?
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 No.401546

>>401537
Ctrl + F on the catalog page shows 24 results for Islam. You guys are obsessed. Think of a new topic bozos
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 No.401548

>>401527
Both the left and the right are stronger in the east than in the west. Die Linke (succdems though they may be) have most of their support in the east.

>>401532
>I don't really care about Germany they're not too relevant
Pick any ex-socialist state in Eurasia and you'll see the same phenomenon, though not to the same extent.
>however China is becoming the world's most Christian nation
Still maybe true only by raw numbers and not percentages (and even by raw numbers that only happens if Christianity continues to grow rapidly there, which is basically just speculative at this point).
>and the eventual collapse of the CCP will just hasten this
Cope, the PRC shows no signs of collapsing any time soon.

>>401537
This one isn't really an Islam thread.
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 No.401555

>>401548
>Pick any ex-socialist state in Eurasia and you'll see the same phenomenon, though not to the same extent.
/no in fact you don't. i.e Poland

>Still maybe true only by raw numbers and not percentages

it is. I can tell you're not having a good time with this fact

>Cope, the PRC shows no signs of collapsing any time soon.

cope the CCP is on its death bed
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 No.401566

>>401555
>the CCP is on its death bed
????
Wat
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 No.401582

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>>401555
>cope the CCP is on its death bed
mutt americope.
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 No.401586

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I am one.
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 No.401599

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>>401555
>cope the CCP is on its death bed
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 No.401607

>>401555
Not dengist but that's retarded
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 No.401617

>>401566
>>401582
>>401599
>>401607
yes it looks a lot like the ussr 1980
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 No.401649

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 No.401659

>>401649
on the verge of collapse
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 No.401669

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 No.401682

>>401582
Ok fuck the Anti-China glowie ITT but this pic is just /pol/ shit repackaged.
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 No.401685

>>401669
its coping exactly what the USSR was doing around 1980
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 No.401687

>>401682
>what's satire?
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 No.401692

>>401682
go back to reddit fag
>>401685
what
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 No.401706

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 No.401707

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 No.401711

>>401687
Sorry I’m retarded, especially since we’ve had a lot of /pol/yps LARP as “fellow leftists” lately.
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 No.401732

>>401706
So if I follow your reasoning, if someone disagrees with me when i claim X is about to collapse, then it means X is about to collase because the contradiction is cope therefore proof of collapse?
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 No.401743

>>401732
no just you
you're coping hard and its obvious
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 No.401799

>>401743
post any proof that china is close to collapse
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 No.401801

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>>401659
>China is collapsing because… it just is okay!!!!
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 No.401803

>>401799
is there ever any proof a country is close to collapse?
CHina is behaving similarly to many failed socialist states
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 No.401805

>>401801
lol cope
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 No.401806

>>401803
In what way
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 No.401811

>>401806
paranoia, liberalization, heightened spending
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 No.401817

>>401803
of course there is economic and political crisis is the most common example
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 No.401819

>>401811
Just like the US then?
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 No.401827

>>401811
I don't think china is really more paranoic than any other world power, liberalization is only a problem for communist countries and heightened spending is not even a bad thing
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 No.401930

>>401827
probably a confirmation bias on your part
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 No.401988

>>401537
>>401546
The Anglo can't get over the fact that its dick was blown off in Afghanistan.
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 No.402189

>>401555
>cope the CCP is on its death bed
You live near langley?
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 No.402325

>>401930
You seem to be suffering from a brain tumor.
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 No.402345

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OMG CHYNA IS COLLAPSING WE NEED TO COPE MORE DENGBROS
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 No.402358

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 No.402419

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>>401555
>cope the CCP is on its death bed
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 No.402520

>>402325
your cope is noted
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 No.402541

>>401468
Former soviet communists are majority orthodox Christian, African communists in former British colonies are almost exclusively protestant/evangelical, Indian communists are largely Hindu but disproportionately Muslim & Christian, while Arab communists are disproportionately Christian. Filipino & Latin American Communists tend to be Catholic as well, with parties usually operating largely Catholic mass orgs.

I'm talking about the base, ie average prole/peasant who is a communist party cadre or mass org supporter, not necessarily leadership except in the case of Africa where it seems the leadership of most communists parties are evangelical preachers & pastors.

Yes, DPRK practices state atheism, most people are at least moderately spiritual though ie belief in spirits, ghosts and superstition is normal particularly in rural areas and while people in China are nominally atheist most are also deeply spiritual, usual believe in the concept of an afterlife, spiritual entities, "good/evil" in a mystical sense, etc, although not in an organized religious way.
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 No.402564

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Communists shouldn't bully or harass religious people, even Lenin said that persecuting people because they were religious was very retarded.

The church was used in the past to convice people that being exploited in this world was worth it because you could always go to the afterlife, in a communist society where people are free from exploitation religion is a personal matter just like sexuality or your choice on pizza.

Religion is more likely to be reactionary because society itself is supposed to be reactionary, everyone should be free to believe in some jew in the sky if they want to, as long as that belief is not used to exploit people.
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>>401555
>cope the CCP is on its death bed
picrel
>>401455
>Marxism is not about eradicating religion. It is not about destroying tradition and culture. It is about doing away with the economic circumstances which make people prefer to hide away from reality in religion.
this
>>401493
>the world's most Christian nation
again, largest population = largest number of Christians. What are the percentages?

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