/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

>>398289
>These issues are not like taxes or abortion or something else, where there are legitimate self-interested or ethical reasons to oppose it.
Misguided class-consiusness. You said, rightoids are uneducated.
They have anti-elitist politics but doesn't know anything
>Pandemic is for elites
>Global Warming is lie of elites

>>398289
its a good way to mobilize people… i don't have answers or any real idea of why this happens but yeah its neat to think about.
Zizek says this too, that now more than ever people believe in things.
Who knows.

Do you think it might be the same way that capitalism worms its way into all relationships, commodifying everything? Maybe politics can be thought of as the commodification of opinions/facts/values/beliefs into the wider media-politics sphere? The universalization of opinion and fact and everything.

Why does this happen though? If it's really a deterritorialization of what in the past would be internal values, beliefs, and knowledge and facts about the world, then it must be releasing some value. That value could be people's attention to media, or the legitimacy that it brings to the government when more people vote, or maybe it just gets people to directly buy more. Why is this highly partisan dividing happening everywhere, not just people making everything political but people making many things us-versus-them.

I think this is solid enough to be a reasonable hypothesis, but idk how it could be proven.

Maybe it's just a literal plot by shadowy elites to sow discord, who knows.

covid shutdown sports so people replace politics with sports

>>398289
>What I mean is the warping of issues which everyone has a stake in, such as climate change or vaccines becoming a point of conflict and tension between right and left
literally what is politics. What stance you take on issues, what are you actions.

>These issues are not like taxes or abortion or something else, where there are legitimate self-interested or ethical reasons to oppose it
you're a fucking retard, it's the exact same things

>>398289
Here's a sensible answer

No not everything is being politicized, if your noticing that every single topic devolves into an argument between conservative and liberal politics its likely that you either choose to indulge in political media or live in neoliberal cities during days of elections

Pay attention. Ask yourself what happens when criticizing something as simple as the rich vs poor gets stigmatized? If you need answers to things always ask the most simple questions. When the very basic realties of life are criticized, the ruling parts of society politicize it because they are forced to confront that criticism head on.

Have you ever confronted a person about an addiction or a a problem they have that other people notice or you notice but they don’t? But when you criticize them they what? They gaslight you to make you feel like you’re the one with the problem. Something as simple as a personal relation to a person can expanded onto an entire society. Imagine confronting the ruling way of life with critiques, now imagine those ruling gaslighting you for criticizing them and successfully doing so. Imagine being gaslit by someone in your family or a friend group and imagine everyone looking at you like you’re crazy because the gaslighter was successful in pinning the shit on you. Now apply that to an entire society… oh yeah. You now have a society where not only has the ruling class gaslit you but your own have successfully bought into the gaslighting and so they gaslight as well and now you and all who think like you are seen as problems who are speaking nonsense.

Anyways things like climate change or poverty, inequality, homelessness, all these things are taboo or have been made taboo subjects to critique. Attacking the ruling economic order is a no no. To combat climate change it requires a massive shift and the collapse of the fuel extraction industries, they are politically powerful, economically powerful and have think tanks to back them. You can not combat that when they gaslight you and even others who are affected by climate change also gaslight you and tell you you’re wrong to criticize man made climate change.

So yeah that’s why shit is politicized, when you are gaslit by the ruling classes you can’t do shit except hope your ideas can win out. You could have tons of data to back your ideas but still won’t win out. Galileo and all them scientists were stigmatized for a time until they were accepted, this is the case now.

>>398302
>>Pandemic is for elites
>>Global Warming is lie of elites
A significant amount of people on this board believe that too :(

>>398816
>you're a fucking retard, it's the exact same things
What are the ethical reasons for not believing in climate change shit-for-brains?

Politics have become culture for the middle class. Ironically now its true that the most political left wing thing you can do is drop all cultural politics

>>398899
That's because it's true.
China knows better hence the new coal fired power station monthly and the complete non-lockdown situation there for over a year

>Do you think it might be the same way that capitalism worms its way into all relationships, commodifying everything? Maybe politics can be thought of as the commodification of opinions/facts/values/beliefs into the wider media-politics sphere? The universalization of opinion and fact and everything.

This is a clever theory but it's a stretch. Someone does profit from political division among the masses, and from the breakdown of evidence-based thinking. But this profit is in political power. Capitalism, of course, wants political power, but if it isn't turning a dollar, it's not a priority. Certainly the fossil fuel industry profits from people resisting climate change, but big pharma would like it if everyone took their vaccines.

A big part of the blame goes to the right. I think it's a byproduct of a perverse identity politics. Liberals believe in vaccines and climate change. So of course red-blooded conservatives can't believe what liberals believe! It's the definition of reactionary. They fear that the left has more truth, and so they retreat into their own compartmentalized make-believe world where they dictate their own truth.

>>398820
It's important to consider what the masses believe as it shapes consensus reality and the great mass of humanity is what determines its fate. I'm fully aware in my own headspace that it's all spooks.

>>398855
I'm most sympathetic to this response. We are a state of epistemic warfare, information warfare. If you fragment and breakdown the ability for the masses to agree on anything, there are no stable realities by which to use as a foundation for organized political action.

The elites cannot have too much agreement between various non-elite political factions. It is also conspicuous how fundamental issues like wealth inequality and homelessness are utterly off the table and absent from all mainstream discourse, because these issues directly implicate the corporate state and its rigged system. Let people fight over trivial differences or whatever it is that isn't these things.

>>399036
Explain the melting glaciers and record heatwaves then, Chang.

>>399044
Natural climate change ie part of a natural cycle
Other planets are also getting warmer and that sure as hell isn't down to us.Natural solar emission cycles.Simple as. The biggest greenhouse gas on earth accounting for 95% of all greenhouse gases is - wait for it - water vapour.
Global warming,covid,muh huwhite supremacy etc etc are all psyops from western elitists as they furiously attempt to bring in their technocratic fascist dystopian tyranny before a/the masses revolt or b/china takes over

>>398289
>What explains the tendency for everything to become politicized these days?

Everything is political, nothing is apolitical.
Rightoid denialists actively benefit from sabotaging political decision making on vaccines and climate change.
They engage in this misbehaviour not out of ignorance but of their rational self-interest and need to be punished accordingly.

>>399084
What's your argument?

I thought the OP would be talking about culture war shit. Of course global warming is political, green policies threaten profits.
Vaccination is only slightly more complex. Of course big pharma isn't anti-vax but there are companies who make plenty by selling "alternatives" to vaccination and even if the discontent isn't deliberately manufactured it doesn't mean you can't jump into the bandwagon later and try to twist it in your favor.
Everything is policital because everything is commercial.

>>399093
Rightists are frequently low iq but they have good instincts. Western leftists are higher iq ie midwit level but their instincts are totally fubar.They buy into virtually every elitist liberal narrative the bourgeois put out without question.
Elitist bourgeois porkies have been holding davos meetings about this rubbish since the 50s as a means of centralising supranational power for their porkie technocracy.
The rightoids are right to distrust these narratives even though they blame the wrong people as usual ie socialists. All these narratives are created by sppoks in the US and EU and promulgated by their voice pieces in the libshit media. Same as all the bourgeois race/gender based idpol.

>>399102
>Rightists are frequently low iq but they have good instincts. Western leftists are higher iq ie midwit level but their instincts are totally fubar.They buy into virtually every elitist liberal narrative the bourgeois put out without question.
Elitist bourgeois porkies have been holding davos meetings about this rubbish since the 50s as a means of centralising supranational power for their porkie technocracy.
The rightoids are right to distrust these narratives even though they blame the wrong people as usual ie socialists. All these narratives are created by sppoks in the US and EU and promulgated by their voice pieces in the libshit media. Same as all the bourgeois race/gender based idpol.

The major premise of your argument is that certain factions buy into the propaganda of other political factions due to personal defects and that distinct third factions do not have these defects and thus their insights are more legitimate:
> Socdems bought Mendelian genetics and thus Nazi eugenics theory because they were psychopaths. Lysenko was right because he was more dedicated to the socialist cause.
> Coastal elites bought evolutionism because they are faithless blockheads. American Young Earth creationism is right because they have faith.
> Centrists swallowed the Holohoax because they were gullible bleeding hearts. David Irving was a "moderate fascist" and thus he is a reliable source and therefore right.

The minor premise of your argument is that the western Left buys into the rhetoric (climate change, Covid, idpol) of the Left-Liberals because they have FUBAR instincts and that right-populists are instinctively correct against this rhetoric.

The falsehood is in both major and minor premises. In the major premise, Lysenkoism is not correct simply because it is contrary to Mendelian theory. Young earth creationism is not simply correct it is contrary to left-lib interpretation of Darwinian theory. Irving is not correct simply because he is contrary to leftliberal studies of the Holocaust. No epistemological "instinct" emerges from such contrarianism.

The minor premise is false in relation to idpol.

There is natural science which does not directly pursue the left-liberal agenda and the problems of such natural science must be resolved on the left's own terms, disregarding the "feels" of vulgar rightism.

>>399102
you fell for rightoid propaganda, they're not against globalist elite institutions at all. think about it, is any rightoid against 19th century European imperialism? of course not, but that was globalism in a more nakedly aggressive form. this is completely a culture war and they rope you into it with anti-elite populist language. the left has been aware of the corruption of institutions far before the right ever did, remember the CIA itself is integrally shaped by Nazi intelligence, where anti-communism was baked into the actions of Reinhard Gehlen.

>>399211
>The major premise of your argument is that certain factions buy into the propaganda of other political factions due to personal defects and that distinct third factions do not have these defects and thus their insights are more legitimate:
That is not my main premise at all.Rather it is that elitist porkies have absolute full spectrum dominance of the western superstructure - left,right and center.See the CIA's co-option and sponsorship of Marcusse et al,feminism and other radlib idpol from the 60s on as a means of derailing class based/worker based activism. It is very easy to research elite porky think tanks and their narratives about overpopulation,the environment etc etc and their desire for a centralised technocratic global governance.It's simply a FACT that the tinfoil segment of the right eg birchers etc discovered this themselves and blamed muh communism instead of the libshit porkies responsible.
>The minor premise of your argument is that the western Left buys into the rhetoric
You have correctly identified the minor premise and I stand by it.The reason is simple - midwits go to university and receive a thorough indoctrination from the libshit state "truth" regime which permanently dulls their instincts which are demonised as reactionary/schizo/racist/hateful {add favourite thought stopping cliche here}
The working classes don't go to uni and avoid such programming.Their instincts stay in place even though they still suffer from a cruder version of liberal false consciousness and frequently misdiagnose problems and causes.
>There is natural science which does not directly pursue the left-liberal agenda
Kek. Any science that contradicts official state truth regime is ruthlessly censored. Science in academia is entirely dictated by outside funding which dictates areas of research, Ask me how I know you have zero clue about the farce that is academic research and peer review.

>>399234
>is any rightoid against 19th century European imperialism?
Depends which flavour of rightoid. US civnat retards claim to be. Certain flavours of "third position" appear to just want left alone.Rightoid world extends much further than poltards.
>the CIA itself is integrally shaped by Nazi intelligence
CIA use anybody and everybody incl-nazis,fascists,islamists,liberals,anarchists,drug cartels,mafia and - wait for it - even nominally marxist groups.Tell me something I don't know newfag.

>>399024
believing there are more pressing issues ? believing the market will fix it ? believing it will solve itself technologically ? believing you will personally not be affected or could profit from it ? not believing it at all ?
priorities, information and worldview, same as every fucking subject you can think of