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 No.394330

Are you friends already communist? Do you refuse to talk to libs? How would you engage with old friends that have started down the alt-light path? What do you do with apolitical people who think its all bullshit or people who are really into being outraged about muh freedom?
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 No.394332

Don't try to "convert" people unless they straight up ask for you to teach them things. Instead, do what you normally do as a peer: be a force of social pressure. State your positions and make your arguments when it comes to specific topics, but don't turn it into a sermon. The more people hear lefty opinions around them the more open they will be and the more will look into it deeper. This is usually a slow process of osmosis, so don't try to force it.
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 No.394339

Take the concept of freedom, engage them in a thought experiment that involves them to think about the concept of freedom dialectically (on your part and improvisation, none of this 'dIAlEcTicS, bRo' shit) and go on from there.

Just one idea
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 No.394380

So far my plan is to paraphrase Marx and Lenin when it is relevant to the conversation without sourcing them or saying the word communist. I think most people have good intentions but a severe lacking in knowledge of history so they end up with contradictory views.
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 No.394413

>>394330
Don't expect to "convert" anyone to communism. But do your best to present your ideas in a sane and rational manner. If they ask you anything about communism, give them a straight answer, and be patient with them, even if their question is fucking stupid.

The most important thing is that they come away with the idea that even if communists are wrong, they have reasonable ideas that they're able to defend, and have good intentions, and aren't just insane people not worth listening to. That's what you should hope for.

Also, if you can, try and get them to actually read some communist works. That always helps.
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 No.394415

>>394413
oh, and I forgot to mention. The most most important thing is not to be rude. People will hate anything that's mean to them, as a rule. This is universal.
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 No.394448

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>>394330
>friends
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 No.394450

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I try and personally reach out to every single person and explain as objectively as possible what is going on as far as the economy and capitalism and why it is in our interests to do away with capital in favor of a planned economic system. I try and leave all the ideological baggage at the door when I enter into a conversation .I have seen my friends go from ancaps and maga retards to commies. I have seen libs I know go anarchist. I have never seen apolitical friends do either. I never write anyone off until they give me a damn good reason too consider them a lost cause.


My apolitical friends I pretty much just deal with them by quoting the line "If you don't turn on to politics politics will turn on you" I think some right winger said it, but, I just know it from rage, lol. The best way to convert people is to level with them and do not act like you are pushing an agenda. Be objective but don't lie. Be honest about who YOU are. YOU are a communist and this is why….
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 No.394454

>>394450
>I have seen libs I know go anarchist

So they just stayed libs
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 No.394466

I’ve cut everyone out of my life who displays traits of liberalism, best decision of my life
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 No.394479

>>394454
lel, well, sure. I suppose. But at least they are anti-capitalistic?
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 No.394513

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>>394454
There is a meaningful distinction between radlibs and anarchists, and since a lot of baby anarchists still have a lot of learning to do, this distinction is thereby muddied. I think ultimately the difference is that radlibs are proto-anarchists who lack a materialist understanding of things, who lack theory, and fill in the gaps of their theory with liberal notions and bourgeois ideology.
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 No.394524

>>394454
In what way is anarchism liberal?
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 No.394531

>>394524
Ooh lookie lookie, one of them wants to play with the big boys! How adorable! Dance for us little monkey!
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 No.394556

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>>394524
Anon, used to be like you. I used to be an anarchist who participated in, so caller, direct action. I used to knock over stores in my home town (petty theft) qnd use that as a spring board to peddle agit prop about communism. I was a teenage anarcist. I never thought the day would come where i would say thta i support the USSR and Cuba and all that shit and that anarchists were liberals and yet, here i am. When you understand that posturing as a revolutionary and actually building a revolution are two different things then you will understand why anarchists are liberals.
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 No.394560

>>394330
I never mention the word "communism" to anyone, but I try to present my opinions casually in conversation. People are more receptive to ideas if they think they came up with them themselves, so I try not to preach too much.
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 No.394566

>>394556
You were never an anarchist if you think anarchism only amounts to burning stuff down and stealing. And please elabourate as to what you're doing to 'build a revolution' now that you've grown out of "anarchism"?
>>394531
Are you actually going to articulate on your point or just post stupid shit like this?
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 No.394572

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 No.394650

>>394556
anarchists have good talking points about states and capital that can be easily understood by libertarians. Its much easier to get a libertarian to become ancap then ancom then marxist rather than to try to explain stalin and north korea are good.
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 No.394668

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>>394330
>Having friends that aren't at the very least comrades
Unimaginable situation for me. Liberals (and worse) are absolutely insufferable people to me. I can't possibly imagine having such friends™ now.
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 No.394676

>>394566
Right right yeah i said all of that too lol.
I mean sure you know syndicalism etc etc. You'll grow out of it. Read Capital.
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 No.394678

>>394668
Lol this is basically me now. I just isolate.
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 No.394682

>>394676
I've trudged through some parts of kapital and it's incredibly boring. I'm fine with reading summaries about it. Though reading about Marxism never made me any less anarchist, or made me want to engage in Stalin or DPRK apologia
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 No.394684

>>394330
You should be able to redpill your friends. It sounds like you need to read a bit more.
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 No.394697

>>394682
>reading about Marxism never made me any less anarchist
Read State and Revolution and you will really not be any less anarchist lmao.
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 No.394700

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>>394448
Go outside, loser.
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 No.394708

>>394697
Reading Lenin actually confirmed I'm def. not a leninist. Dunno why people here thinks there's a pipeline from anarchism to ML.
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 No.394709

>>394700
>fuck america
>not death to america
pussy
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 No.394718

>>394708
It's alliterative with communism and it rhymes with hope.
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 No.394746

>>394718
Yeah but then, it's aesthetic over substance, so not really the theorical bastion ML is supposed to be.
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 No.394750

Trying to convince individuals is a waste of time and effort, it's an even worse waste of time if you want to convince weirdos like incels, fashoids, doomers, gamers, anime freaks, etc. Don't waster your time with the very bottom of the barrel of society, they are the bottom 1% that can be disposed of
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 No.394753

>>394682
>anarkiddie can’t read
What a shocker. You’re a lib, not a leftist, and until you abandon anarchism for socialism you will always remain that way
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 No.394772

>>394709
>death to [x]
It's really a colloquialism. You get Saudi taxi drivers who say "death to traffic!"
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 No.394781

>>394772
Yes that's why not saying it makes you a pussy. It's extra funny because it's a good lib filter based on who is triggered by it.
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 No.394809

>>394330
None of my friends are communists, and I don't really know if any of them describe themselves as socialists. I have one friend who calls himself an anarcho-communist. I don't refuse to talk to libs. We are all, on some level, liberal subjects. Marx was a liberal subject.

None of my friends are alt-right. I lost a friend to tradcon/alt-right ideology. They were upset that I didn't support compulsory christian education in public schools and stopped talking to me. Another friend (a ch*d) of mine stopped talking to me after I rebuked their blue-lives rhetoric and anti-abortion beliefs, but that friendship had been seriously in decline for awhile, especially since this dude was a borderline pedo and very sus.

An acquaintance of mine, a friend of a friend, was into the tradcon thing but was clearly hiding his power level. His facebook cover photo was of Julius Evola quotes. I confronted him on this, pointing out that Evola was a fascist but he denied it, and said that Evola was a "traditionalist." I remember going to a cookout that this individual was an attendant of and much of our interactions consisted of ideological sniping. This was also the first time we were in the same, physical space, and had remarked that he expected me to look "smaller and weaker." I learnt later that this person was planning on going to a police academy in order to become a cop. My friend, who I knew this person through, said that he promised to her that he would "treat everyone equally" as a cop. I was very suspicious of this. More recently I hear that this person lost interest in going to cop school and instead endeavored to become a school counselor.

Apolitical people seem to come in multiple variants. I think the most numerous group of so-called apolitical people are people who aren't actually apolitical but lack the confidence to talk about politics, knowing full-well they are not well versed in anything political. I don't think I know anyone who is genuinely apolitical (does not care about politics in any fashion).
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 No.394850

>>394809
My good friends all seem to be Bernie Sanders supporters, except for one who is a (recovering) former Libertarian who only recently learnt about Libertarian Socialism. I think there is a progressive pipeline from Libertarianism to Libertarian Socialism. Of my friends who supported Sanders, most of them seem to think Obama was a great guy. Fortunately most of them have no interest in Hamilton. That is the worst lib trait, by far.
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 No.394950

>>394708
I've seen a lot of overlap between anarchism and Maoism however.
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 No.394976

>>394330
I would love if I could get them into leftism. I am convinced it's borderline impossible. They are now sympathetic, they think I'm weird but ultimately probably right, if maybe a little idealistic. Sometimes they do ask me some rancid questions that show they are clueless and just want to feel superior.

Idk, my advice is don't bother. Also that puts you in an antagonist relationship which means they'll always be against communism just to not to be proven wrong ever.
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 No.395014

>>394976
last time it was brought up my friend was like “ uhhh fascism and communism are the same I read animal farm”

also so many racist anti-chinese jokes, even the more woke radlib liberals we hang out with on occasion who are super offended at everything suddenly have no issues with racist-ass anti chinese jokes.
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 No.395125

>>394753
>Liberalism is when you don't read thousands of pages of ancient tomes
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 No.395280

Just be a friendly person, anon. Don't be a pushover of course, all I'm saying is they have to respect you first if they want to trust you and actually care about your thoughts. Most people don't understand communism and fear it on impulse, whereas others dislike it due to personal experience or perceived self-interest. Even if you can't "convert" some people, it's good enough to show them that you aren't the monster that propaganda makes you out to be.
Try to find common ground and be willing to acknowledge the faults of communist leaders. If someone pulls muh 100 gorillion just calmly hold your position and focus on your principles. If you're the kind of person who overreacts or moralises then maybe you should tone down your ego and rethink your reasons for being a communist.
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 No.395283

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>>394330
People are kept off balance so they seek comfort in the perceived consensus or authority. Then, they get validated by social media.

No need to be explicit or debunk their ideas directly. The schizophrenic headline chasing of mainstream media discredits itself the moment a more stable alternative is present. You only need to show mild skepticism about who we are and have ever been at war with, to mess with the circlejerking validation loop that conditions them to jump at the newest headline.

Be consistently better informed than them. Propaganda is designed to galvanize people against direct attacks towards it, the key is never incurring in antagonism. That's why humour is such great vehicle to deprogram the average consooomer.

>OMG the government is genociding cubans for protesting for food blablabla

<Oh damn, how awful, but I thought the protests were initially about basic meds, blackouts and… well COVID too. I mean, not that's any better…
<Like, imagine how bad the rona must be there. Look , for example, aparently they got a vaccine but they don't have syringes of all things!
>[frothing mouth-flapping about muh communism, muh freedums]
but also
>[realizes you knew better, didn't feel challenged, next time they'll be more open to alter their understanding of things]
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 No.395312

>>395014
Sound about right.

When I first got into leftism, I really wanted to tell everyone and bring everyone on board. After several years I sobered up (metaphorically) and now I keep my mouth shut. I don't hide it. I just don't say anything when turbo libs are saying their retarded take that is half Jon Stewart, half Biden.
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 No.395329

>>395283 (cont)

Maybe they will look up how bad the rona actually is to follow up on their confirmation bias habit and be exposed, of their own volition now, to facts about the blockade.
Maybe they'll follow up on the vaccine, to find which dirty commie tricks they used to steal it, and be exposed to Cuba's healthcare & education campaigns.
They will still parse it through their lenses but again, the key is that they did it themselves so you aren't pushing to change their opinion.
If their opinions budge an inch, for example recognizing(to themselves) an article omitted a key fact even if their view remains, the change will be reinforced by the same narcissism the propaganda is, because theydid it themselves.
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 No.395442

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>>394753
>be in mod chat on leftypol matrix
>anarchist is complaining about people making fun of him in this thread
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 No.395601

>>394678
>>394668
Are you in a party?
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 No.395611

>>394682
>engage in Stalin or DPRK apologia

do you mean 'stalin did nothing wrong' or that the USSR did nothing right?
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 No.395615

>>394708
Would you fight in a civil war against Leninists? What if they were supported by a democratic majority?
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 No.395634

My friends know I'm a communist, not because I'm super radical but cuz I told them. I'm never really put into a position where I have to defend my beliefs, but when we do talk politics, I water down my takes so I seem more reasonable and I always at least push back against bullshit. Still, my friends are procapitalist libs at best and libertarians at worst. Figure its better to maintain a social circle than die for my stances, especially when we hardly talk politics.

My family is a different story. All of my siblings and cousins are either socialists or MLs. And we've converted most of our parents into anticapitalists. All we do is talk politics and theory and its fucking lit.
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 No.396113

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 No.396206

Non-communist friends are not worth having.

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