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 No.393534

So /leftypol/, what are your personal Top 5 texts, lectures, videos, or books that really struck a chord with you or in some way influenced your thinking?
>bonus kudos for links, .pdfs, etc.
>xposting welcome

Hopefully the peeps who contributed to the last thread are still lurking and contribute again, because I didn't get a chance to save all the recommendation last time and it >>332596 died
So much insightful and personal content, gone ;_;7
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 No.393670

>>393534
God I hate that image
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 No.393729

>>393670
Why? because there's no conclusion and it leaves you blue-balled? Hmmm?
>>393727
Nice, thank you trash panda girl.
I always think short is best, at least initially, so people can cover more in less time.
But an ocean wide and an inch deep I guess.
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 No.393744

While these are by no means the best theoreticians, they deffinetly are the ones responsible for setting me on the right track. In chronological order:
1. Chapo Trap House, who turned me into an anti-capitalist from a Breadtube watching pro-capitalism socdem
2. Adam Curtis, who redpilled me on geopolitical reality of the modern world and the moral and philosophical bankrupcy of "freedom"
3. Paul Cockshott, who introduced me to just how plausible and desirable a fully-planned society would be
4. Matt Christman, who grillpilled me and made me realize just how much of a trap online politics really are, while also helping me to overcome some of the remaining reddit logic dude characteristics that I still posses
5. Philip A. Neel, whose book "Hinterland", in combination with the disenchantment from the online middle-class oriented politics sphere that happened to me via Christman, made me realize that the future of socialism in the west lies within the deindustrializes lumpen underclasses of neo-untouchable gig workers of the infrastructural and service sectors, and not in the feelgood politics of herding middle class dipshits by appealing to their sensibilities.
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 No.393747

>>393729
>Why? because there's no conclusion and it leaves you blue-balled? Hmmm?
It hints at and glorifies rape, which seems rather out of place in "leftist" art.
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 No.393796

>>393747
EXACTLY this, one of the biggest reasons marxism leninism is so unmarketable in the first world is because of disgusting coomer sex pests like >>393729
Please kill yourself coomer
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 No.393814

It sounds dumb but I remember watching Pans Labyrinth in the Spanish class I'd been thrown into because apparently being natively bilingual isn't good enough to satisfy graduation requirements in Burger highschool and I remember thinking that the partisans were sooooo cool. I didn't even know what their ideology was, I just knew I hated the Francoists.

It didn't radicalize me or anything, but I thought it was bad ass how the doctor just told off some authoritarian psycho. All the movies I had seen growing up like Star Wars and what not really planted in me the idea that rebelling against power = cool
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 No.393832

>>393747
>>393796
take your puritanism elsewhere, b*rgers
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 No.393836

My first influence in high school was Chomsky's profits before people. Through that I came to Marx and Capital and bolshevism and all that.

The most important and influential books when I started working in organizing workers were Lenin's What is to be done and Left communism: an infantile disease.

For contemporary capitalism it was Hudson's Super-imperialism and Mario Tronti's writings, available in Workers' and Capital now.

There are a few others, but op said 5.
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 No.393871

>>393744
>reddit logic dude
What is this?
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 No.393872

>>393814
I happen though, sometimes something just clicks and off we gooo… Good movie too.
>>393836
I'll check 'em out.
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 No.393879

>>393875
No one goes to /edu/

The last thread was extremely fruitful and insightful because it was here in plain sight.
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 No.393911

>>393832
>If you oppose glorifying rape you're an American puritan
If you say so
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 No.393961

>Breadbook

First leftist book I read when I was 15. Absolutely loved it at the time. Today I feel it's not that great, but will always have a place in my heart.

>Ego and it's Own


Brief anarcho-individualist phase during my teenage years.
Still haunts me to this day.

> Marxism : last refuge to the bourgeoisie ?


The book that make me want to read Marx. Didn't understand everything at the time, esp. the economical stuff, but def. shape my transition from anarchism to marxism.

> Sorel : The socialist future of the syndicates.


Aside from making me discovers the french syndicalist tradition, there's something in Sorel that always fascinate me : he can be at the same time pretty mediocre and on other absolutely genius.

> Bordiga : Theory and Action in Marxist Doctrine :

https://libcom.org/library/theory-action-marxist-doctrine-amadeo-bordiga

I don't agree with Bordiga, I even think he's fundamentally wrong, but I can't help but to read it. Maybe it's his style, maybe it's the rigid rigorism. Nevertheless, I always find myself thinking the way he shape the debate (organicism, invariance, Formal and Real Party etc.), even if it's going all the way against him.
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 No.393966

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>>393961
thanks, I'll give these a look and will save them before this thread disappears again.

Man, so much interesting stuff in the last thread :(
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 No.393973

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>being influenced by texts instead of experience
>using texts as the basis of your theory rather than as education and clarification
>reading anything without synthesizing your own interpretation in context with reality
>treating communism as a religion rather than a scientific practice
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 No.393976

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>>393534
I kid, but The Hunger Games is unironically /leftypol/'s young adult literature. There's a fuckload of class-related shit in it. Katniss decides to go full Trotskyist around the end of the series though
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 No.393978

>>393976
>Becoming
wtf Michelle Obama is a Hegelian?
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 No.393981

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>>393973
>not enjoying what your comrades enjoy
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 No.393986

The Unique and Its Property
Stirner's Critics
Desert
Feral Revolution
last but not least: The German Ideology, so you can see how retarded Marx really is and how stupid his fanboys are.
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 No.393987

>>393747
There's nothing wrong with raping porky.
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 No.393998

>>393976
>The Hunger Games is unironically /leftypol/'s young adult literature
it may come as a surprise, but communist fiction authors were and still are a thing, praising some vanilla liberal's book of choice is pathetic
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 No.394003

>>393998
>praising some vanilla liberal's book of choice is pathetic
The series is about starting a violent revolution to overthrow the wealthy elite who forced everyone else into poverty. The actual Games themselves are a punishment for a previous failed revolution.
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 No.394006

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>>393998
>NOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T LIKE THAT BOOK A LIBERAL WROTE IT YOU NEED TO CONSOOM WHOLESOME MARXIST LITERATURE!!!111!!1
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 No.394046

>>393796
Do you really think that this idpol faggot is ML? Most likely he is some sort of anarchist or "libertarian" marxist at best. Just a liberal at worst.
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 No.394050

Wasn't the hunger games a liberal rip-off of turbo based Battle Royale?
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 No.394051

>>394050
probably
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 No.394052

>>394003
I love the Hunger Games movies because they're the pinnacle of stupid-fun while still trying to pretend they're witty or clever
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 No.394173

>>394052
I don't think I've ever even watched them. I'm admittedly zoomer enough to have read the books in middle school. I may or may not have absorbed the class-related themes seriously at the time. Rereading a few years ago I was particularly struck by a scene where poor girls were forced to prostitute themselves to survive, I didn't even remember that being in there.
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 No.394257

>>393879
I go to /edu/
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 No.394311

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 No.394316

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Ernest Hemmingway, the absolute bear
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 No.394322

1) William Blum Killing Hope, US Military and CIA interventions since WW2
2) Michael Parenti Blackshirts and Reds
3) Kapital Volume 1
4) Debt, the first 5000 years
5) Alex Haley Malcolm X biography (politics whatever, its a fucking sick story)
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 No.394324

>>393973
>Praxis, bro
Still have to read dipshit.
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 No.394393

>>394311
Bruh I don't care what happens to porky, they should not have rights or protection whatsoever. Why should I care if they get raped? It's perfectly okay since they aren't people in a worker supremacy. You should re-evaluate your liberal opinions.
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 No.394401

>>394393
Not funny.
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 No.394402

>>394393
Porky just has to be overthrown. Being needlessly cruel to them is just stupid. Besides, if we tolerate the rape of one group, how do we know we will be able to restrict rape to that group? Wouldn't it be safest to condemn rape across the board?
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 No.394460

>>394393
Psychopath. We want to build a world based on workers justice, not gang rape of people you don't like, jesus
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 No.394471

>>394401
you
>>394402
>idpol "groups"
just outed yourselves
>>394460
>moralist social justice
as liberal faggots.

If you can't even see that at one point the boorgoisie will lose all their rights as human beings you haven't really internalized what the fuck class is, and you need to fuck of back to reddit.
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 No.394478

>>394471
Stop. Just stop. There is no point in defending rape.
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 No.394483

>>394478
Cry about it anarkiddie. You have no problem when urban youths democratically agree to it, so why are your panties in a twist?
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 No.394496

>>394483
>Cry about it anarkiddie.
Not an anarchist
>You have no problem when urban youths democratically agree to it, so why are your panties in a twist?
Huh?
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 No.394499

>>394483
>You have no problem when urban youths democratically agree to it,
???
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 No.394514

>>394471
You belong in an institution and that is where you would be in a socialist country.
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 No.394515

>>394478
But we can kill them or no unless they are female?
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 No.394519

>>394515
Only if they pose an immediate threat (like if they're enemy combatants in a war). Let's not commit genocide.
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 No.394523

>>394496
>>394499
Gang rape is perhaps the best example of a democracy in action, other than a lynching. What’s the matter, I thought you wanted freedom?
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 No.394528

>>394478
Tell me what class is. What is class? What do you actually believe in?

Here is a fact: as an actually marxist worker I want to exterminate the ruling class.

Therefore the means of doing so are second to getting it done. So if someone get's em, catches them and cums in their asshole, a marxist isn't going to say you should be convicted, they will say good job, and probably just kill the porky.

Again one more time: why shouldn't anything be done against porky directed aggression? Because wanting to destroy them while simultaneously giving them rights is a contradiction. Choose a side motherfucker. Choose. Right now tell me who you would side with in a court case.
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 No.394532

>>394523
>Gang rape is perhaps the best example of a democracy in action,
Alright, my /pol/tard radar is starting to go off.
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 No.394535

>>394532
Opposing rape makes me /pol/? Interesting
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 No.394536

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 No.394539

>>394535
Wait huh, your post implied that you supported it?
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 No.394540

>>394523
>/pol/ fantasizing about gang rape
These are the sociopaths that call us degenerate scum lmao
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 No.394545

>>394523
That's just criminal behavior. I don't care if the criminals "democratically" agreed to it.
>Tell me what class is. What is class? What do you actually believe in?
A group of people who share a common relationship to the means of production
>Here is a fact: as an actually marxist worker I want to exterminate the ruling class.
Most Marxists simply want to remove them from power, not exterminate them.
>Therefore the means of doing so are second to getting it done. So if someone get's em, catches them and cums in their asshole, a marxist isn't going to say you should be convicted, they will say good job, and probably just kill the porky.
Most Marxists don't support rape. Full stop.
>Again one more time: why shouldn't anything be done against porky directed aggression?
Because I don't have psycho revenge fantasies
>Because wanting to destroy them while simultaneously giving them rights is a contradiction.
I want to remove them from power, not remove them from existence. The end goal would be to integrate them into proletarian society.
>Choose a side motherfucker. Choose. Right now tell me who you would side with in a court case.
I want capitalists to expropriated, not raped.
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 No.394546

>>394519
Holy shit you're equating resolution of class antagonisms to fucking genocide. That's actually arguing against a class-based position you absolute liberal.

And btw there are now lots of anons in this diacussion so be aware that anon is different people
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 No.394559

>>394546
>Holy shit you're equating resolution of class antagonisms to fucking genocide. That's actually arguing against a class-based position you absolute liberal.
The implication was that it was okay to kill someone just because they happen to be from a bourgeois background, which in turn could serve as a justification for genocide against anyone who is of that background. I merely want to expropriate the capitalist class. We may have to kill some of them in the process, but only those who violently resist our expropriation. And even then, many of them will likely surrender without being killed. There is 0 reason to indiscriminately kill people solely on the basis of their class background.
>And btw there are now lots of anons in this diacussion so be aware that anon is different people
So there are multiple people in this thread with this "rape and mass murder is okay if it's against people we don't like" mindset? Yikes.
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 No.394575

>>394478
Reply to my post or… >>285223 read something. Your choice.
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 No.394586

>>394575
I've already argued against your points in other posts. Do you really want to die on this hill?
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 No.394601

>>394539
No, just pointing out the hypocrisy of anarchism
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 No.394604

>>394559
> "rape and mass murder is okay if it's against people we don't like"

In this case yes. Do I need to tell you why I "don't like" them? Are you from this exact "background" you're talking about? I think you don't understand the magnitude of the problem the proletariat faces.
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 No.394611

>>394586
There's one reply to you that conveniently has no replies. I don't care, I'm sympathetic to not being able to hold a conversation actually.
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 No.394614

>>394604
>In this case yes.
You just need to expropriate them. Killing any more of them than is needed to get them to surrender is foolish.
>Do I need to tell you why I "don't like" them?
Yes, I understand the problems capitalists have caused.
>Are you from this exact "background" you're talking about?
No
>I think you don't understand the magnitude of the problem the proletariat faces.
I do understand the magnitude of their problems. I just don't see genocide as being a useful means of solving them.

>>394611
>There's one reply to you that conveniently has no replies.
Which one is that?
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 No.394618

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>>394614
>I just don't see genocide as being a useful means of solving them.
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 No.394623

>>394618

>Soyjack


:/
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 No.394625

>>394618
>Soyjak greentext
I see you have run out of arguments
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 No.394638

>>394614
Why are you calling it a genocide lmao? Reminds me a bit of the media and the uyghur genocide.
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 No.394642

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I WANT TO HAVE SEX WITH PORKY-CHAN
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 No.394644

>>394638
>Why are you calling it a genocide lmao?
Because it is a mass murder that is intended to exterminate a particular group
>Reminds me a bit of the media and the uyghur genocide.
China isn't mass murdering Uyghurs
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 No.394649

>>394644
Right its not a real thing. Also genocide is murdering a particular race. Now tell me what class is or fuck off from this board forever.
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 No.394651

>>394642
Second pic is weird, it makes it look like her tits have mosquito bites or some kind of lumps in them.
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 No.394656

>>394651 (me)
Also, why the fuck has this derailed into an argument about rape?
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 No.394657

>>394656 (me again)
*this thread
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 No.394658

>>394638
wordfilters bahahaha
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 No.394669

>>394649
>Right its not a real thing.
Genocide and mass murder are real, even if the Uyghur genocide specifically is not.
>Also genocide is murdering a particular race.
It can also apply to religious groups. Now I will admit that the UN definition of "genocide" doesn't apply to classes, so perhaps "mass murder" or "classicide" would be a better term for what we are talking about. Regardless of the terminology you use to describe it, such an action would be an atrocity.
>Now tell me what class is or fuck off from this board forever.
I did. See >>394545
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 No.394714

>>394669
Ah ok (I didn't write the gangrape thing). So you add to the conditions of revolution that we should win without comitting rape, why?

Don't you see successful revolution as taking precedence over its exact methods? Really why should I care about How its done as long as its Done? I don't. And you libs putting fucking guidelines in place won't get us there faster.
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 No.394727

>>394714
>So you add to the conditions of revolution that we should win without comitting rape, why?
I won't reject it if rape is committed, but I would prefer it not be. I definitely wouldn't encourage it, unlike some people in this thread.
>Don't you see successful revolution as taking precedence over its exact methods?
Yes, but I still think the methods have importance too
>Really why should I care about How its done as long as its Done?
We, or at least I, don't want to cause unnecessary harm.
>And you libs putting fucking guidelines in place won't get us there faster.
Not committing rape isn't that hard of a guideline to follow.
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 No.394739

>>394669
>Such an action will be an atrocity
So? These are people who will not hesitate to rape and murder the proletariat to preserve their position in society. I’d rather not have people who go around committing sex crimes be tolerated in a DotP, as those folk would likely turn against other proles. But other revolutionary excesses are a whole different matter.

I’m not a communist because it’s moral. I’m a communist because it’s in my self-interest, as it is for all of the proletariat.
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 No.394747

>>394739
>These are people who will not hesitate to rape and murder the proletariat to preserve their position in society.
Two wrongs don't make a right. Additionally, committing mass murder could leave big psychological scars on the perpetrators, not just the victims. I seek to do as little violence as possible, as violence is harmful to all parties involved.
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 No.394756

>>394727
Lol no. Next you will be saying that they can sit at a table with me.
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 No.394769

>>394747 (me)
Oh, I'd also like to ask a question to all of the people who are advocating for mass rape and/or mass murder: would you be willing to do it yourself? Would you be willing to walk up to an unarmed, dispossessed bourgeois family and shoot them? Or would the act of doing such a thing cause you to feel so sick that you wouldn't be able to carry through with it? I feel that most of the people who are advocating for these acts of mass violence are detached from the reality of said acts. They see it like a video game where you can kill thousands of NPCs and not feel a thing.

None of this is to say that violence may not sometimes be necessary, but the toll it takes on both its perpetrators and victims is high enough that I would not like to commit more violence than is necessary.
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 No.395560

>>394322
This is probably a really good selection for getting your average person onside.
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 No.395569

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>>394642
Koba did a female cat version of Porkie (left), but hasn't come to fruition yet…
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 No.395651

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Towards the Creative Nothing by Renzo Novatore
Armed Joy by Alfredo Bonanno
The Wandering of Humanity by Jacques Camatte
The Society and the Spectacle by Guy Debord
The Autobiography of Malcolm X

For lectures I would recommend Farrakhan. Documentaries have helped me learn a lot as well, particularly The Anatomy of a Great Deception by David Hooper and James Corbett's work in general
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 No.396309

The top 5 leftist people who've swayed me into trostkyism are:
Biden, AOC, Trudeau, Lula and Xi
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 No.396335

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>>396309
>Trotskyism
>Biden
>AOC
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 No.396350

My influence is primarily my own observations.

I notice there is another (me) in this thread that isn't me.

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