/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Yeah it would of had, but not like in the way intented possibly.
Also, not anarcho-communists, anarcho-syndicalists. Also CNT was about one faction inside of the civil war and went out in a year in the conflict, so it would have been the communist (if they couped the socceems at power).
It would go like this
>Communists win in Spain.
>Italy wants the balearic islands.
>Italy does a whoopsoe for germany once again, and tries to invade the balearic islands.
>Germany has now another front.
>Where infrastructure is pretty much nonexistant.
>With a ton of guerrilla fighters like in the napoleonic wars.
>England gets in.
>A repeat of the peninsular war of the napoleonic wars ensues.
>Now the underbelly of fascism for the british is Spain, which had literal 5-6 years of war and still guerrillas going hard against the german invader.
>The campaign, instead of being the italian slogfest, turns into the liberation of Spain.

I don’t know maybe Germany would have invaded with Italian and Portuguese support.

If Germany and Italy, given a free hand in Spain by Britain, still lost to Soviets solo, they'd be less likely to break Molotov-Ribbentrop.

Unless you're referring to to CNT-FAI, specifically, then it was never in the cards, because they never amounted to anything.

>>393081
>They would be less likely to break the molotov ribbentrop.
Nah the nazies would still go to the soviet union cause that was om eof their key objectives, and they would do even harder, as in the case of Spain, in that alternative timeline, its goverment didn't coup itself and surrender just like that.

>>393089
Eventually, but not at the same date as the original Barbarossa. Winter War was the key reason the generals started arguing to Hitler to invade Soviet Union, anyway.

>>393153
Didn’t Franco have Moroccan conscripts rape Spaniard women?

>>393076
I would be amazed by this outcome. Centuries being the most reactionary society and become the most revolutionary.

>>393177
are you not bored of the right at this point? I'm bored. Stop boring me

>>393177
https://serhistorico.net/2017/03/29/el-abuso-sexual-de-la-mujer-como-arma-de-guerra-en-la-zona-nacional/

just accept that Franco was a massive sex pest

>>393187
who the fuck is Fuentes?

>>393177
Whats up with the right and rape? I thought it was degen bros…

>>393187
>He thinks anyone here watches Nick fucking Fuentes
Is he even relevant with rightoid chimps still?

>>393070
>what would their victory have changed

Normally I hate to engage in Hypotheticals, considering that each change would lead to massive domino effects etc.

It really does depend on how the victory is achieved. Considering the fact that there were anarchists within the republican government (who also fought against the Durruti faction) it would depend on wether the republic dissolves in a sort of libertarian socialist confederation with minimal state power or it becomes a lot like Aragon. These are important distinctions to make, considering that Aragon was more or less a giant commune with labor vouchers being exchanged.

Sadly, as is the case with a lot of socialist govs, if it was to remain relevant on an international level, it would have to had established more international relations with other states, and that may involve opening trade with neighbouring capitalist countries *or at least doing away with the ideological rivalry of the USSR and China and helping them**. However, given the continued rivalry of the USSR, Yugoslavia and the PRC, it's very likely this rivalry would still continue.

Now in regards to WWII, I do believe that the Anarchists would nonetheless be content on fighting fascism as they had before when the Durruti column drove out Franco during the initial stages of the Spanish Civil War. Considering the fact that anarchists who had fought in the civil war also found themselves as volunteers in the French Resistance, i doubt this international solidarity would cease.

With that in mind, A socialist bloc would likely form within Europe. Considering the fact that Spain neighbours both Portugal and France, the soviets and the anarchists could hypothetically use this to their advantage to pressure these govs into committing an act of revolution. However, let's not be too hasty to suggest that this wouldn't immediately solve the Nazi problem, or the fact that the french still have an empire at this given point in time.

I do nonetheless believe that had the Republic/ Anarchists have won the Civil war, there is a greater chance that we would have seen a more radical future. But let's not mourn about would could have been, and instead focus on what is.

>>393167
Ah! That explains the real rightoid obsession with black men: Is not about white men raping black slaves, no, it's about white men using black men as fetish torture tool to white women. And to think that the most anti-semitic European culture was the Hispaniard culture, you can't blame da-Joos for the raise of cuck porn on white males.

I don't know if they could win assuming a 1936 divergence point but I am reminded of how cringe Britain and France were.

If anyone argues capital doesn't support fascism against the left look how the allies did nothing while Germany and Italy sent combat troops, bombed Spain and even had warships occasionally bombarding the coast against the legitimate government of a European nation without declaring war

>>393070
the anarcho-communists could've never "won" the spanish civil war, they'd probably be one of many factions that would take over the government post-war as the biggest defenders of the republic against the military. this communist government wouldn't have much of a capacity to fight a war proper but if the UK/France was more willing to collaborate with a communist spain against the Axis then the French could retreat through spain and into the colonies to keep fighting rather than having to do a massive naval evacuation that lost them untold scores of military equipment, which would overall strengthen the allies and likely accelerate their victory in Africa against Italy + supporting German forces. In the even more unlikely event that they would fully try to form some kind of anti-fascist pact then the Axis would have to try and cross the Pyrenees mountains garrisoned by fairly seasoned guerilla fighters plus a number of Free French who would have good experience with how to properly fortify shit - with no way to go around the maginot again. The combined French, English, and Spanish navy would quickly overtake the Italians and instead of navally invading from Africa to Italy they could launch throughout spain into a multi-front assault into Italy, collapsing it far sooner than it did irl.

>>402987
>one of many factions
*communist factions

https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2021/07/17/pers-j17.html
Eighty-five years since the outbreak of the Spanish Civil War
>Eighty-five years ago, on July 17, 1936, the Spanish army launched a fascist coup against the the country’s Republic, provoking the Spanish Civil War.

A deeply penetrating historical analysis of Spanish civil war of 1930s and it's relevance with the political environment of today. One crucial question the author asks is had the working class won the war against the fascists during this period then this would have saved humanity from the brutal calamities of second world war, and thus would have changed the course of history. During the initial stages of the war workers were making great gains in many major cities. However, as it quickly turned out the counter-revolutionary and pernicious role of both Stalinists and Popular Front caused a huge setback for workers, and this changed the tide in favor of Franco's far-right forces. Fast forward to our times the ruling classes are once again seen using these malignant forces as a tool for safeguarding their material interests in a world that has become deeply polarized with social inequality and economical crisis. Recently the spread of pandemic has further exposed these trends.

>>404412
Blah, blah, shit take, Trot. But at least POUM wasn't as irrelevant as the other group WSWS decided to praise when talking about Black Panthers.
>quoting Orwell
*wheeze*

>>393070
Yes it would. It would show the flaws and successes in their project. Also as someone pointed out it would open up a 2nd front after the fall of France.

It would at the very least create an opportunity to build a version of socialism different from the Soviet model, but like the USSR it would likely end up being a mixed bag with a few limited insights and innovations.

>>393070
>considering Franco sat out WWII anyway even after Hitler was like “Hey buddy, you’re a fascist, I’m a fascist, let’s team up”

TBH Hitler didn't really want Spain to join the Axis, they already had Italy to babysit and Spain as a 'neutral' but Axis-aligned country had benefits.

>>404532
No socialism would be built, but at least the military would be full of Stalin fanboys, and maybe liberal discontent can be directed towards Axis and Britain.

>the Spanish People's Armada wants to have words with the Royal Navy about a "Non-Intervention Agreement" that was handed over to fucking Italy and Germany

>>404412
>the counter-revolutionary and pernicious role of both Stalinists and Popular Front
you mean the only guys actually organized to fight the fascist and the only guys who got real weapons ? the ones that got attacked by full autism anarchists who were absolutely shit at making war and not having everyone hate their guts ? the oens who broke the antifascist coalition and sent republicans in franco arms ? now thats some serious revisionism

>>405115
>the oens who broke the antifascist coalition and sent republicans in franco arms ?
*the anarchist were the ones who broke the antifascist coalition and sent republicans in franco arms

>>393070
They had no chance in hell in winning in the first place.
Republican side had half the world fund it, but was too disorganised, poorly trained and had retarded military leadership.

>>393076
Looks like someone watched too much Sharpe.

>>409093
If Republican Spain did what Mao did and stick to the mountains and strike out when the enemy wasn't looking they could have, where Mao made a massive offensive against the IJA once the IJA had much bigger problems to worry about. In Spain's case strike out when the Nazis are invading France and just steam roll over Franco while Hitler is busy and had long relocated his units to fight France.

>>393194
this is why you dont keep them alive