/leftypol/ - Leftist Politically Incorrect

Gr8 thread OP.

Def shouldn't have been a simple post in /ITG/ instead.

>>391867
This isn’t about reddit you fucking illiterate
It’s about the culture of the West

>>391884
>west
>culture
good one, mate!

Most of the people who type things like that are well off and thus insulated from the iniquities inherent to libtard capitalism or are just severely delusional masochists who drink to cope with the cognitive dissonance.

I had someone point out to me that perhaps the divide (at least in the US) between the rich and the poor is so growing so vast that there is section for whom which capitalist society still delivers. How can capitalism be cruel when you get to go boating in the weekends and drink some microbrews? Of course, these people also tend to conflate certain signifiers with wealth - the Instacart shopper living 5 to a room CAN'T be struggling because he drives a 2007 Toyota Camry (that he spent years saving for) and because he had an iPhone (bought on subsidy with an overly expensive phone plan on AT&T if not outright financed). I think that United Statesian society is so isolated that there's no real way to tell what is actually going on with other people unless you are personally involved with them. There is lots of hidden poverty, again, as many of the people who struggle do not appear to be poor. I have run into people living out of their cars who you would never guess were homeless and showering once a month with the rest of their hygiene being spongebaths in their workplace bathroom.

If you were a petite bourg here in the US it would be very easy to hold the perspective that everything is fine - because for the most part, things do appear to be fine. It's not until you start digging that you see the people living paycheck to paycheck. What they consider to be poverty is Haiti, or Mexico, or V e n e z u e l a. If there aren't slums and crumbling brick houses in white neighborhoods, there is no poverty. Nevermind the fact that most young people live with several roommates, or the fact that minimium wage isn't enough to pay even for a box to live in in any city in the US - It's fine. In America, even the poor have iPhones and cars.

I think this is why the growing homelessness issue is so sphincter clenchingly terrifying to these people: as those blue tarp camps grow and the piles of shit and needles collect at the highway overpasses it gets harder and harder to rationalize as "mental illness", or "individual choice". They might actually have to grapple with what kind of insane society they built that there can be a guy strolling down Market St in SF in a Brooks Brothers suit next to a guy seizing and vomiting himself in withdrawals on the floor.

>Reddit
Go back

>>391865
How do we cope? I can't speak for all westeroids, but I literally can't cope. I'm constantly bitter, angry and depressed. I try to use these signs of despair to fuel my rage, work out, train and prepare materially for the slow collapse of the west in the hopes of building something better out of the rubble. It is very tiring, but I'll stay to the bitter end. I'll not grant pokries to give up. They'll rather have to kill me in order for me to stop.
I even manage to not take harmful drugs like alcohol and tobacco. I need my head to be clear and sharp in order to be of better use to the movement against this madness that is late-stage capitalism.

>to which the based and rational redditor argued that actually freedom doesn’t mean a right to a decent quality of life but just the garbage included in America’s warped concept of freedom and literally nothing else
While pointing out the contradictions of their pseudo-freedom ideas, you should also add that freedom can also mean to be free from poverty, free from constant fear of not being able to pay rent, free from starvation and disease etc.

I don't. I was considering leaving but tbh I can't think of anywhere in the world where its considerably better. Latin America seems to be on the up, but we'll wait and see how long before another CIA coup occurs.

>>391918
Come to an ex-yugo country, especially Slovenia. Or maybe Greece. But lots of western countries are still ok and have leftist radical movements: Italy, France, Spain.

Well a few things to add to what the other anons have said

-Sociopathy is in no way unique to the Western world and can often be far worse.
-Because the West is a place where poverty has greatly been reduced and starvation is on longer a real issue (with food quality and security replacing it) these additional factors arent immaterial to a good life anymore.
-People on reddit arent representative of the West and its way of life.
-Capitalism is very effective at atomising people

>>391946
>starvation is on longer a real issue (with food quality and security replacing it) these additional factors arent immaterial to a good life anymore.

lol ive read recently on finnish internet site that some 300,000 finns can't afford next meal/bread and have to stay in the queue

>>391865
>while still being allowed to starve on the street is fucking meaningless
Labour is entitled to all it creates. You dont have "freedom" to parasite on me and my work, if you dont provide something in return.

>>392090
>Labour is entitled to all it creates. You dont have "freedom" to parasite on me and my work
Indeed, that's why we do not need porky around.

I can’t cope tbh

>>392094
Yes. I dont need pork parasite stealing my surplus value, nor do i need a lazy loser stealing from me either. Both turn me into a slave. The line between being altruistic and being exploited is thin.

Whether in capitalism or socialism, those who refuse to work *should* starve, otherwise I'm enslaved. That was the meaning of my reply to OP.

>>391865
>My question is, how do westoid’s cope with such a sociopathic way of approaching the value of human life, freedom, etc.?
The answer is that I hate my neighbor. Well, I don't know my neighbor. But I hate the people around me. The people driving, the people in stores, the people I see on the streets. Hate is too strong of a word. I don't care for them, they annoy me with their presence. People acting like others don't exist, going out of their way to avoid eye contact, to live fully atomized lives. I learn from them and reflect their habits and hate them more. One big stressed hate machine, that's how to cope. I just try to avoid people.

>>392111
Freedom to starve on the street includes people who work. A lot of homeless people have jobs. Don't make excuses for why porky has the "right" to force this kind of "livelihood" upon people.

>>391865
Anglo analytic philosophy believes in negative liberty. Continental philosophy believes in positive liberty.

>>392044
And how many starvation deaths have there been in Finland?

Assuming your 300k figure is correct is worth noting that about 1.1 million people in Finland are obese - as I said food security and quality is an issue but starvation is not

>How do they cope
Judging by the suicide rates, they don't.

>>391918
Latin america is not going better IMO, the right is so reactionary and schizoid here that they may actually coup the few leftist governments in power.

Some people are already thinking about how to remove people like Castillo,AMLO,Fernandez,Arce and of course Diaz-Canel By force

>>392995
>Some people are already thinking about how to remove people
This doesn’t mean anything the right is always planning how to get rid of their enemies what matters is if they actually have any support.

>>393004
In Latin America pretty much every military is a fascistic tentacle of the US Empire essentially
Whatever they will do is whatever their bourgeoisie wants and whatever their CIA leash-holders will assist with
The people of Latin America will likely have to revolt or be destroyed

>>393004
>what matters is if they actually have any support.
They do, the latin american right does have support, it may be minoritary but still a very large base of like 30% of the most reactionary/shizoid population.

Look again at what happened in Peru with Castillo and Bolivia.

And of course the US

>>392138
If they really valued negative liberty, they should literally abolish all laws and all law enforcement

>>393015
don't give the ancaps any ideas now

>>391928
I was really into bourgie travelling before covid, partially hoping to find a new home. Unfortunately I never got to Europe, but I am very interested in this region.
>>392995
Yeah this is always the problem, just because there are leftists on the up, there's often a psychotic reaction against it.

Drugs, escapism and therapy

>>393132
is this the old nazi poster we had?

>>393146
Summoning eugene

>>393164
>>393132
How dare you stand where he stood.

>>393164
>tfw even actual Nazis come to /leftypol/ to have actual political discussion and debates because /pol/ is such a disgusting meme-loving buzzword filled toxic shithole that is even extremely toxic for its own political userbase.

Damn what a strange phenomenon, someone should make a paper about this.

You better not be a westernoid either, nothing more retarded than self hating westernoids. And yes I'm a westernoid but I don't hate mysefl lmao, what's the point of that? Hate should be directed towards the US for being the Nazi Germany of the world from 1945 onwards

>>393281
I say more of the continuation of the British Empire than Nazi Germany. But yeah I get the point you are trying to get at.

>>393231
Man that was a mistake. Pol is full of memers that is pretty shit place to begin with. They are also a bunch of degens in their own ideology but too hypocritical to think other wise.

>>393164
Pretty much.
There's a hundred generic "im a fascist AMA" threads, usually by people who think fascism is nazism and that nazism is just WN, and just spam inforgraphics. Plus there's generic /pol/ posters who use the flag to be edgy.
Then there's one or two like you who stick around and can actually hold a reasonable discussion, plus that one progressive Italian fascist who drops in twice a year to debate the role of state.

>>393099
I mean if you're a burger and have some skills that contemporary societies need, you will do great in Europe.
I have met many of Americans here and they were all blown away by the standard of living proles can have here, compared to america. Even having obligatory paid holiday days, maternity and paternity leave, paid sick leave as a universal thing for every worker.

>>393817
… for every worker is a huge deal for most Americans working here. Or having public insurance which the employers are obliged to pay for etc.

>>393817
Not that anon, but I want to emigrate. The problem is language barriers and being a brown Burger (charburger?). I could fuck off to Spain with no problem since Spanish is my first language (would take some time to adjust though…) but they're really poor compared to the rest of the EU from what I've heard

wat do

>>393821
Spain is not that poor. It's not like Germany or Netherlands or Denmark, but still quite o.k. Poverty is relative. I mean most Europeans take home less money anually in wages than Americans but the wages we do get enable us a lot higher standard of living. I was once doing some calculations. I make 19.000 € here, I rent, I have a car, public health insurance that covers everything, 25 paid holiday days, we have public UNI without tuition etc. To enjoy a similar quality of life and similar protections, I'd have to make around 200.000 $ in the USA.

Also, to answer about the skin color. There are quite a lot of "brown" people in Spain. And it seems Spain's getting back on track since the 2008 crisis.

>>393826
>There are quite a lot of "brown" people in Spain.

Why do Americ*ids and /pol/ posters tell me Spain is a white ethnostate WTF I want my money back. Despite in all likelyhood having majority Spanish DNA everyone here is retarded and thinks Mexican is an ethnicity

one of many strikes against this dumb country

>>393834
Well there are a lot of Francoist fascist in Spain who dream of a aryan Spain lmao. But are not a majority or anything like that.

>>393840
Is there a leftist community over there? The US has no such thing, which is why I want to emigrate. Fascism will likely win here and there would probably be a wholesale slaughter of any and all ethnic minorities.

>>393849
They have Marinaleda, a communist village. They have Mondragon coop cities etc.

>>391865
by having tons of shit to conSOOM

>>393281
Nice strawman, we don't hate ourselves, we hate the European bourgeois states, which collaborate with Washington.

>>391946
There's also a big difference between people caring on the internet or with words and actually being willing to do something for other human beings. I wouldn't be surprised that all the world over that many people who talk about caring about the plight of other people wouldn't actually help them if it meant inconveniencing themselves. There are people who are true to their word, or many who don't think much of these things but will help others even if they have to suffer themselves though.

>>393834
I still can't get over how the Moroccans are more Germanic than Spanish people due to the Vandal invasions.