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 No.388245

How are the workers of the world supposed to unite if they cannot even agree to a single unified language?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhfUu1WmiTo&ab_channel=TLDRNewsGlobal
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 No.388248

The proper language to learn for internationalists in the 20th century was Russian.

The proper language to learn for internationalists in the 21th century is Chinese.

This makes the esperantofag seethe.
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 No.388251

We have an Esperanto thread on /hobby/ that you can join.

Esperanto hasn't been as popular as in previous times. Its main pockets are China and Latin America right now. Chinese government supports radio shows and news in Esperanto.

However, Esperanto as a concept gets people seething on this board.
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 No.388256

>>388248
>The proper language to learn for internationalists in the 21th century is Chinese.
>This makes the esperantofag seethe.

Unnecessarily hostile, as always. What if I tell you many Chinese are learning Esperanto?
As opposed to you, I can speak and write Chinese, and I will tell you that Chinese will have a hard time being the world's lingua franca unless the pinyinization is Chinese is completely finished and entirely romanized, which Mao advocated for but didn't happen and sure won't happen now.

China teaches Chinese in Africa and many learn it, but it is magnitudes of order more difficult than learning Esperanto, especially if you were to write characters by hand.
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 No.388259

>>388256
I predict that as Chinese gets learned by more people, China will realize that it in order to have the world's lingua franca, they would either need to reform Chinese (which is unthinkable IMO given its rich history and the traditions they carry), accept English or go over to promote Esperanto more.

The Chinese government is one of the few governments in the world who bother to sponsor Esperanto media. Why is this the case?
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 No.388260

>>388256
As opposed to you, I can speak and write Cuban, and I can tell that you don't.
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 No.388263

>>388260
I cannot speak Spanish. I can speak English, German, French, Turkish, Chinese and Esperanto. How does this change anything about my post?
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 No.388265

>>388248
>Chinese
<Implying CPC gives a shit about helping communists worldwide aside from where they already are in power
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 No.388272

>>14883
The Esperanto thread
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 No.388276

>>388272
Oh shit, sorry. I forgot how to link threads on other boards.
Here is the URL: https://leftypol.org/hobby/res/14883.html
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 No.388284

>>388272
>>388276
the format is:
>>>/hobby/14883
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 No.388296

>>388284
Thanks, comrade. I will keep it in mind.
As far as the OP goes: I would welcome Esperanto getting more popular. It takes a German student about 1500h to be fluent in English and only 150h to be fluent in Esperanto. Now consider that German and English are related languages - it would take a student in an unrelated language even longer to learn English. It is unfair that some people have to spend 1500, 2500, 3500 hours of their lives to learn a language while Americucks can just sit back and relax. Esperanto is in so far a useful language for true neutrality. Furthermore, a lot of the Esperanto community is left-leaning, and there are also plenty of socialists, communists and anarchists there.

George Soros is a native Esperanto speaker but let's not get into that…um…..
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 No.388304

I already speak English, what's the point?
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 No.388309

>>388304
And billions don't or barely.
And it will be easier to wean off Americuck cultural imperialism if we don't all have to get their English-language shit all up in our face.
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 No.388318

>>388309
English is literally the most common second language used and is used for the overwhelming majority of international trade files, media and advertisements
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 No.388323

>>388318
1. You are privileged (and sheltered) if you believe everyone on Earth knows English.
2. Even many people who "know" English can barely speak it.
3. English being dominant gives the USA and the UK incredible leverage for propaganda that other states do not have as easily.
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 No.388325

It would make more sense to learn a few widely spoken languages. Learning esperanto is a waste of time.
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 No.388330

>>388325
You can do both. Learning Esperanto fluently (and I mean high-level fluency) takes about 150h, which is nothing for a language. You will be able to have normal conversations after a few lessons, which is impossible in any other language (unless it's highly related to one you already know).
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 No.388337

Imagine not having a Dengist esperanto GF
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nySt5PRTOBU

>Video unrelated
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 No.388371

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>>388245
Why learn Esperanto when you could learn Lojban?
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 No.388387

>>388371
This, it's like OP doesn't even value clarity. Don't you realize the language you speak affects how you think? Don't you want to expand your mind?
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 No.388404

what's the gender ratio for esperanto nerds?
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 No.388412

>>388404
qt traps 100|0 women
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 No.388429

>>388245
LARP language and eurocentric. The real 21st century is broken english or regional dialect english adopted by the people in that region like Indian English for example. People all over the world will simply make their own accented version of english
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 No.389983

>>388248
Chinese? You know what? Good! At least it's not English! A unified Chinese speaking planet would be aesthetically pleasing.
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 No.389986

>>389983
They'll struggle with the characters. You must learn thousands of them unlike Russian. Until they switch completely to another system, Chinese won't be international owing to its difficulty.
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 No.389993

>>389986
Mao already came up with a solution to that: simplified Chinese
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 No.390067

>>389993
There was going to be a second simplification, but it was abandoned for being too overly simplistic.
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 No.390080

Why? We have technology to automatically translate spoken language. Esperanto was a noble endeavour but incredibly outdated idea.
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 No.390108

>>390080
Well tbh Chinese has lots of homophones so what's spoken may not be what's expected.
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 No.390122

>>390108
Yeah ok dont know about these homophones but its up to the programmers to fix unique language related problems.
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 No.390124

>>388245
>Learning Ze funny spanish
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 No.390125

>>388337
now you've convinced me. Is there duolinguo? where do i learn?
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 No.390128

>>388245
OP, are you part of the esperanto community?
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 No.390139

>>390125
i just checked. there are no cute girls learning this anywhere. barely any people. dead language.
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 No.390283

>>388248
>The proper language to learn for russophiles in the 20th century was Russian.

>The proper language to learn for sinophiles in the 21th century is Chinese.

Fixed it for ya! :DDD
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 No.390292

>>390067
Aside from cultural reasons couldn't they just use pinyin, the french did something like that with the Vietnamese.
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 No.390296

>>390292
Yeah! It would just internationalize it much easier had they abandoned Chinese characters at first place.
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 No.390325

>>390292
Even with pinyin the tones are super hard
Chinese will never abandon their characters at this point, there is too much information inside the radicals of each character
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 No.390328

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>>390125
>>390139
There is Duolingo.
There are cuties learning it.
It's not dead.
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 No.390329

>>388404
Pretty even tbh
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 No.390331

Posting another cutie dengist esperanto milf
https://youtu.be/SDNfZ2C6CuI
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 No.390359

My thoughts after reading this thread

>Learning esperanto
It's easy to learn, but even so it's not worth it unless there is a serious effort put into translating literally everything into Esperanto. Maybe an international project that get resources of many governments.
>learning Chinese
maybe the Pinyin version but normal Chinese characters, that's only worth it if you plan on living in China
>Lojban
Arguably the language with the best design that makes it much clearer than any other language, but it creates tediously long sentences. It's probably the best language for a true natural language human machine interface. It's culturally neutral, that makes it an excellent choice for preventing misunderstanding in diplomacy or law. This will definitely be a thing once we build our first interstellar civilization.
>Chinglish and Hinglish
The borked version of English that Chinese and Indian respectively, speak.
It could be that this leads to a big mashup where even native English speaking countries will over time adopt many words and phrases with Chinese or Hindu origins, because the semi-English nature of these makes the barrier for cross-over much lower.
This can be incredibly poetic like
>Stay off the lawn - Do not disturb, tiny grass is dreaming
Or incredibly rude like
>Gentleman's club - spread to fuck the fruit
If this becomes the world language, it's basically going to kill grammar and or semantic structure, where people sound like they speak the same language but they can hardly understand each other.
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 No.390371

>>390289
>Absolutely! But which variant of Chinese? Mandarin probably?
That's a strange way of spelling cantonese…

Also:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hhMAt3BluAU
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 No.390372

>>390359
1. Marx and Lenin classics are all available in Esperanto, as are most classics of world literature.

2. Esperanto would need some major government support to spread. China is the most obvious candidate and already give some suppprt, but will test the waters of spreading their own language first and only use Esperanto if Chinese doesn't work.

3. People keep saying that pidgin English removes the need for Esperanto. This is a bit nonsensical. Esperanto is a language open for experimentation and different forms. Pidgin English will always be looked down upon and be a signifier of class. Unless Anglos can bear in their heart to see a business partner violate their grammar (they can't), Pidgin English will always be seen as inferior, low-class, illiterate.

Let's see how the Chinese language fairs in Africa first. That will be the proving grounds of whether English can be replaced as the lingua franca.
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 No.390381

>>388245
>Esperanto
No. A very superficial and Euro-centric language.
I think as we unite and globalize, an international language can naturally evolve based on a mix of all languages that optimizes the expression of thoughts, and ideas.
Or we could be speaking Mandarin in a hundred years. Who know?
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 No.390395

>>390381
As long as a country has supremacy over a language, a widespread pidgin will not be accepted.
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 No.390472

I was gonna make my post here in esperanto but I feel like it would be a little ridiculous since every post here is in english.

I learned esperanto not very long ago, and I highly recommend it. It takes a startlingly little amount of time. I've already moved on to learning spanish. If you're dedicated you can become conversational and be able to understand 100% of most things in just a few months. Learning a language generally is just a really good idea for communists. Especially if you're from an anglo country and only speak english. Communism is an international movement with an international history, and learning another language, and being able to communicate on an even playing field with people from across the world is unbelievably useful. Anything's good, the only bad choice is to learn nothing. But also learn esperanto because it's really fun.
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 No.390672

>>390472
It's an incredibly easy language to learn, I don't see why there is so much resistance to it.
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 No.390701

>>390381
>Euro-centric
You have to go back.
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 No.390776

Speaking of China and Esperanto, did anyone know that Hanyu Pinyin was invented by an Esperanto Scholar?

Interesting read:
https://radiichina.com/esperanto-subculture/
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 No.390810

If like to do a survey for esperanto nerds in this thread please answer

1. Are you a man or a woman(female)?
2. Have you ever had sex?
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 No.390836

>>390810
Man, yes.
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 No.390843

>>390810
1. man
2. no
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 No.390850

>>390672
So you are part of the esperanto community, right?
You should welcome everyone in this thread that speaks esperanto, too, as a rule for being part of he esperanto community.
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 No.390868

>>390329
Yeah, 50 percent cis AMAB and 50 percent trans AMAB
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 No.391120

>>390868
I don't think I've ever seen a transhumanist at any Esperanto event.
>>390810
Man, last fuck was Saturday. Happy?
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 No.391219

>>388387
>sapir-whorf
based and redpilled
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 No.391437

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 No.391540

>>388296
>George Soros is a native Esperanto speaker but let's not get into that…um…..
He's not a native speaker, his native language is Hungarian, but he did learn esperanto from his father when he was slightly older.
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 No.391671

I won't learn Esperanto because it's ugly. Too much influence from Romance languages.
t. anti-Romance GANG
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 No.391734

>>391671
There's plenty of Slavic and Germanic influences too
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 No.391735

>>391240
>You live in capitalism yet you want socialism
This is the same level of argumentation
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 No.391775

>>388429
Lmao and that's not eurocentric?
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 No.394392

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>>391240
A bastardized, mutilated language that pic related created
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 No.395832

English is the lingua franca , it is the unofficial language of the majority of the internet.
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 No.396605

lernu ESPERANTON
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 No.396671

>>396605
Lerni ĝin estas facila, sed trovi okazon por uzi ĝin estas preskaŭ neebla.
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 No.396940

>>388248
The Chinese have that covered. You think they need us? The proper language to learn is Spanish if you live in the US.
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 No.398940

>>396940
How about…
All native born U.S. citizens learn Esperanto, all South American immigrants learn Esperanto, and we’re all happy.
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 No.405532

LERN
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 No.405534

>>405532
*LERNU
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 No.405537

>>405534
ESPARANTON

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