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 No.386694

The Left IS Western Civilization - Or rather Platonic Civilization.

Political wings can be the entirety of civilizations:
1) Where the opposing wing (Right) is chiefly responsible for the degradation and destruction of said civilization, the opposed wing (Left), by process of elimination IS it.
2) Where theorists of the opposing (Right) political wing betray the original context of the civilization for a rootless, reactionary mysticism, the opposed (Left) political wing IS it.
3) Where the opposing wing (Right, Left-Liberal) denounce the very founders of said civilization, the opposed wing (Left) IS it.
4) Where said political wing (left) has historically demonstrated the ability to rejuvenate that civilization, that wing IS it.
5) Despite ethnic differences from the original form of that civilization, by exemplifying its theories, a political wing (Left) may seize claim to and own that civilization as its true heir and thereby BECOME it.

Particular historical facts to the above premise:
i) Historically speaking and in the present, it is the world right wing that is responsible for the destruction of Western civilization, that is, Platonic Civilization (The civilization that embodies the Form of the Good by turning Philosophers-in-Training into Philosopher-Kings, like Lenin, Stalin). Just look at the amount of destruction Operation Barbarossa inflicted:
> The combined damage consisted of complete or partial destruction of 1,710 cities and towns, 70,000 villages/hamlets, 2,508 church buildings, 31,850 industrial establishments, 64,000 kilometres (40,000 mi) of railroad, 4,100 railroad stations, 40,000 hospitals, 84,000 schools, and 43,000 public libraries; leaving 25 million homeless. Seven million horses, 17 million cattle, 20 million pigs, 27 million sheep were also slaughtered or driven off. (The New York Times, 9 February 1946, Volume 95, Number 32158)
> 40000 hospitals, 84000 schools, 43000 public libraries
- Furthermore, consider the left tendency of raising literacy considerably (Russia, China, Cuba) whenever it gets power. It goes to the core of the Transformation of Philosopher into Philosopher-King, which is the Form of the Good, the whole essence of Platonic Civilization.
- Now consider that the current climate change crisis is a capitalist crisis. Also consider the amount of destruction American intervention does (Operation Condor, book burning in Chile, Cuba etc).
ii) Evola's theory, of the Right, is literally an attempt to Indianize the world away from the Platonic Kali Yuga. Think of the Brahmins chanting above the masses, mired in faeces, shitting in the streets. Evola betrayed the Platonic project for Indic, varna-based mysticism. The swastika of the Nazis and of Hindutva is not an accident. Modern India is the "utopia" (i.e. dystopia) rightists wish to turn Platonic civilization into. (On the Dark Age, from Revolt against the Modern World). Poo poo pee pee, Delta Covid farty fart.
iii) Popper, filthy socdem, denounces Plato, the whole founder of "Western Civilization", i.e. Platonic Civilization. (Popper, K.R. The Open Society and its Enemies. p. 65). Stephane Courtois, liberal democrat, further defames Plato:
> Courtois states that "[w]e must make a distinction between the doctrine of communism and its practice. As a political philosophy, communism has existed for centuries, even millennia."[8]:2 Courtois cites Plato's Republic and Thomas More as communist examples of what he terms utopian philosophy (Courtois, Stéphane (ed.). The Black Book of Communism: Crimes, Terror, Repression. Harvard University Press. pp. 92–97, 116–121. )
iv) Look at the French Revolution and the October Revolution. Like a phoenix from the ashes, the Kingdom of France and the Russian Empire were reborn ultimately as the French republic and the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics. Look at the Great Qing, the Republic of China and pay attention to how through all the British, French and Japanese imperialism, under left theory they rejuvenated.
v) China, despite being Han, embodies Plato's project upon this earth. Likewise, the Soviets were Slavs, Turkics, Jews etc yet nonetheless embodied it. The revolutionary French were the result of a Frankish-Germanic and Gallic-Romance admixture. None of these peoples were Hellenic nor Greek, yet they lived up to Plato's ideals.

CONCLUSION
The Left IS Western (Platonic) Civilization!
1) Rightism in Barbarossa, American imperialism indicate it is the negation of that civilization. By process of elimination, the Left IS Western (Platonic) Civilization!
2) Evolism of the Right betrayed the Platonic project of Western Civilization in favour of the Vedic one. That leaves the Left becoming it.
3) Popper and Courtois denounce Plato's project, our project of Western Civilization. Therefore, we are it.
4) Wherever the Left has worked, we have brought those civilizations back from the brink - Revolutionary France, the Soviet Union, the People's Republic of China. From the direst straits of French Revolutionary Wars, the Russian Civil War and WWI and the aftermath of the Opium Wars and the Sino-Japanese Wars, the Left alone has rejuvenated those direly crippled civilization. We ARE Western (Platonic) Civilization
5) Although the French, October and Chinese revolutions were never Hellenic, they all demonstrably lived up to Plato's ideals. We ARE Western (Platonic) Civilization. In fact, China is the true form of Western Civilization that Gandhi said would be a good idea on this planet.

<TL;DR: It's not we leftists that are destroying Western (Platonic) Civilization it's the rightists.


Additionally, look at the Spengler pic. Look at the pessimism and negativity within it. Spengler, of the right, severely threatens the Platonic project with that filthy, unthinking pessimism. Spenglerism and Hitler were inextricably linked.

The Left IS Western Civilization!
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 No.386710

I am Spartacus
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 No.386719

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Cool who cares though?
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 No.386732

Congrats you've realized that behind all the "Defend Evropa" LARPing, hypocritical fascists almost destroyed western civilization.
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 No.386863

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This is the most based post on /leftypol/'s history
Leftism as western civilization itself it's something that has been on my mind a lot and now I see it's something we should be overt about.
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 No.386871

Lyndon LaRouche approves of this thread
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 No.386946

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>>386694
OP you are a master of dialectics. This is one of the best posts I have seen on leftypol. The left builds civilization and the right goes apeshit and tries to tear it down out of narcissism. The left builds a porcelain throne and the right picks the poo out of the loo.
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 No.386958

>Poo poo pee pee, Delta Covid farty fart.
mhm mhm.. I see..
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 No.386969

The right build civilizations, the left destroys them. Life under the tsar was better for more people than life under communism.
The 3rd Reich rebuilt the failed state that social democracy had ravaged. In response, Anglo capitalists waged war on Germany, at the demand of those Jewish capitalists who screeched about 'European values', and still do today.
Capitalism and democracy in the United States is crumbling, with leftist ideas being the root cause. Today the right are anti-interventionist, because interventionists and imperialism are more associated with the liberal left now than they are with the right. 90% of the financial backers of Western politics support left wing social justice, and foreign meddling/intervention. Your ideas on things seem to be time holed in the 20th century.
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 No.386970

>>386969
What can I say except keep coping.
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 No.386973

>>386970
>we wuz civilization
Brilliant take
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 No.386975

What the fuck do you have to drag the Indians for? Guess what, asshole, the Brahmins came from the same people that were the ancestors of modern europe. You don’t get to sling this shit all on us.
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 No.386977

>>386973
Можем повторить, говноед.
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 No.386984

>>386975
Why does every other Indian ethnicity hate Brahmins? I've noticed this, and it's puzzling.
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 No.386985

>>386694
This is basically an extension of Maupin's city-building tendency.
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 No.386986

>>386984
>Brahmin is an ethnicity
Brainlet alert
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 No.386993

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>>386969
>Life under the tsar was better for more people than life under communism.
The biggest rightoid cope in the recent history of /leftypol/. Even most /pol/fags who come here concede this point, if nothiing else. Even Stephen fucking Kotkin concedes this, all though circuitiously. I'm once again asking the Dunning-Kruger Nazi to read a fucking book.
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 No.387005

>>386975
Rightoids are spiritual pajeets, lefts are spiritual platonists. Regard rightoids with the same disgust as pajeet hindutvas.

https://youtu.be/KMF6gAVUt6o
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 No.387007

>>386986
I know it's a religion dumbfuck. You got your internetz win for today.
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 No.387009

>>386993
>read a book
Ok, I've read books by Goldman, Camus, Read, and Solzhenitsyn.
>not those books!

lels
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 No.387010

>>3869690
I can't tell if you're legitimately stupid or mocking the average rightoid.
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 No.387014

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>>387010
>mocking the average rightoid.
Nobody ever does this ever on this site ever whatsoever.
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 No.387024

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real schizo hours
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 No.387026

>>387009
Cope harder, ibred chinlet.
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 No.387030

>>386975
>pajeet unable to view politics through anything other than an ethnic lens
nothing about op's post extolled the virtues of some imaginary european ethnos that is related to the brahmins of vedic civilization. A clear recurring point in op's post is that platonic civilization does not belong to any one nation. pls learn to read
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 No.387032

>>387026
>It is estimated that for most of its existence, the Gulag system consisted of over 30,000 camps, divided into three categories according to the number of prisoners held. The largest camps consisted of more than 25,000 prisoners each, medium size camps held from 5,000 to 25,000 inmates, and the smallest, but most numerous labor camps operated with less than 5,000 people each. Even this incomplete list can give a fair idea of the scale of forced labor in the USSR.
>we wuz civilized
I kek my ass off at retards who dress up in dog costumes and then fuck each other, wouldn't have been in one of Stalin's camps for subnormals.

lels
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 No.387039

>387014
go back retard
every right winger I have ever talked to online and irl has been on the spectrum of intellectual disability
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 No.387042

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>>386969
>Anglo capitalists waged war on Germany, and still do today.
Down with Anglo capitalism, support German-Chinese unity.
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 No.387053

>>387042
Chinese capitalism is pretty based, ngl.
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 No.387085

cringe
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 No.387150

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>>387032
>According to your source (your ass) max population in a big camp was 25 000
>Minimum was anywhere from 5000 to less than 5000
>Let's split the difference between high and low and estimate higher because >muh ebil commies
and state average per camp was 15 000 people
>15 000 inmates x 30 000 camps (could be even more camps but 30 000 is what you gave me) = 450 000 000
>USSR population before WW2 was around 170 million or 162 million depending on who you believe and according to quick search
>That means that by your source's estimates there were almost 3x more people in the GULAG system than there were actually people alive
>You believe these numbers and hold them to be true
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

It doesn't get better for you even if I revise the estimate of person per camp downwards
>30 000 camps x 10 000 people each = 300 000 000 aka roughly double the actual population
>30 000 camps x 5000 people each = 150 000 000 aka around 90% of the population would be living in the GULAG which begs the question of why they wouldn't just overthrow their government.
>30 000 camps x 1000 people each = 30 million people in GULAG which is roughly 18% of 162 million.
I don't care how many guards you hire that's a legitimately retarded percentage no matter how you look at it since 15% of any population is enough to overthrow a government or just run out of the gulag or do whatever you want. 18% united with nothing left to lose would have murdered the entire Soviet system if your stats were anywhere near reality.

You suck at both history and common sense but that's typical for a fucking nazi lmao.
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 No.387182

>>386694
Retarded idealist shit. Blah blah civilizations. Read Marx.
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 No.387191

>>386969
>The right build civilizations, the left destroys them
The right caused every war of the 20th century.
>Life under the tsar was better for more people than life under communism.
Yeah those peasants with their debt slavery, 80% illiteracy and medieval life expectancy, ploughs from the 19th century, periodic famines, disease, no access to education or healthcare. A great, truly trad life.
>The 3rd Reich rebuilt the failed state that social democracy had ravaged
Compared to the Weimar republic, the Third Reich had lower living standards and wages, and could never catch up to them. Ironically, it was the Weimar government that dropped out of the gold standard and began public work programes to combat unemployment. Hitler does the same thing, takes all the credit, and nazis call it a "miracle".
>In response, Anglo capitalists waged war on Germany, at the demand of those Jewish capitalists who screeched about 'European values', and still do today.
lmao. Anglos actually helped Nazi Germany. If they had dignity they would have crushed the German army when Hitler attempted to remilitarize the Rhineland. However, they gave him every concession and granted him every demand, let him spend 4 years building a massive army and annex multiple countries, and it wasn't enough. It wasn't enough for Adolf "Lebensraum" Hitler, hence why he started WW2.
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 No.387196

>>386969
What's up with all the nazis that show up these days? Is the situation in the /pol/ ghetto so bad that you have to come to the imageboard that is the actual opposite of what you represent to have a proper political discussion.

You know that one of the reasons why /leftypol/ was founded was to avoid people like you?
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 No.387198

>>387196
Summer
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 No.387206

>>387196
Actually there was a lot of cross-border pollination in the early days of /leftypol/
Our BO eventually became a Tankie and the constant back and forths died with permabans and Bunkerchan as the successor kept a strict policy as well.
If you look at our entire board history we started out "open" and got more and more "closed" over time. As of now I'd say we're somewhere in-between our historic "Iron Curtain" and our initial "100 Flowers Bloom" periods - the mods on here aren't as strict on imperialist shills and they do allow /pol/tards to jump the border provided the thread is saged.
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 No.387211

>>387182
You read Marx and then you read Plato you cunt. By the 11th thesis on Feuerbach, the point is to change it. The "it" comes from Plato. Mechanicalism is not full materialism.
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 No.387221

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>>386969
>The right build civilizations
the right caused WW2 which leads to several continents getting wrecked.
> the left destroys them.
Do you mean the liberals? They usually just let it fall apart

If anything the communists are the great builders. Just look at what communist could do in Russia and China.
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 No.387244

all of the most dominant civilisations in human history have pragmatically assimilated the economic, sociocultural and political practices of other civilisations to further their own ends. this is because all civilisations are forced to either transform or collapse. conservatives are therefore ultimately more likely to be the enemies of civilisation than progressives since they are more inclined to refuse transformation.
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 No.387298

>>387221
>the right caused WW2 which leads to several continents getting wrecked.
France and Britain declared war on Germany. That is how WW2 began.

> Do you mean the liberals? They usually just let it fall apart

There's no 'letting' going on currently. They're forcing it to fall apart, and the majority of the self-professed 'Marxists' are their street militia enforcing decadent decay as the rule of thumb.

>If anything the communists are the great builders. Just look at what communist could do in Russia and China.

Russia killed 100 million people, and China is capitalist bordering on Neo-Fascist. Unless you you think communist revolution is just a means to get Starbucks coffee restaurants and Nike factories. In which case potato.
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 No.387316

Dilate and seethe chinlets.

https://dashthered.medium.com/communism-always-works-bce14ee96f2b

The left are city builders.
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 No.387324

>>387316
"Muh left" didn't exist until a few hundred years ago.
This is really a stupid argument to begin with.
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 No.387336

>>387324
By the standard, same with the Right.
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 No.387363

>>387298
Fair enough France and Britain carry some responsibility for helping to create the conditions that led to world war 2. But you can't ignore the fact that the communists were the ones that finished the big capitalist war and then engaged in civilization building of the likes the world had not seen before, that raised Russia and many surrounding countries from weak and backwards monarchies, to a huge modern power. The only place on earth that is still pushing hard for civilization building is China, an you guessed it, they are run by a communist party. Lets face it the fascists in the end just turned out to be the attack dogs of big capital that wanted to tear down Soviet civilization. All the 1000 year Reich talk was nothing but empty promises to get useful idiots to fight their battles.
>There's no 'letting' going on currently. They're forcing it to fall apart, and the majority of the self-professed 'Marxists' are their street militia enforcing decadent decay as the rule of thumb.
There are many liberals that role play as marxists or other kinds of leftists, and that is not a good thing, but the decay is caused by capitalism, the liberals are guilty of blocking the economic left, but otherwise they just let it fall apart.
>Russia killed 100 million people
That's a lie
> and China is capitalist bordering on Neo-Fascist.
No China is definitely not fascist, they are blocking the merging of industrial capital with bank capital.
>Unless you think communist revolution is just a means to get Starbucks coffee restaurants and Nike factories.
They had to make concessions to the global capitalist superstructure to close the technology gap. But the capitalism that does exist in China is subordinated to a societal project. Which is the opposite of fascism which seeks to subordinate society to capital.
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 No.387408

>>387032
>I kek my ass off at retards who dress up in dog costumes and then fuck each other
Take your meds before you hurt yourself.
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 No.387412

>>387324
The left a few hundred years ago were liberals
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 No.387485

>>386694
Op, you wanna write this up into prose for an article?

message me [email protected]
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 No.389757

>>387485
Currently up to the second essay paragraph, invective against Spengler and Ebola.
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 No.391052

>>387298
>100 million murdered in the soviet union
Can you prove this actually happened? or are you just pulling numbers out of your ass?
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 No.391162

>>387485
The post has been written up into a full essay. Check your spam folder.

If you haven't received it, this is the plaintext:


“The Left IS Platonic (Western) Civilization” by William Strachey

Introduction
General

The most atrocious defamation against the Left by not only rightists, but also, backstabbing left-liberals consists of the imputation that its objective is to destroy “Western civilization”, generally articulated in nebulous, ahistorical, immaterial or worse in racial or ethnic terms. This false and intellectually degenerate imputation has been seized upon, variously by Nazis, socdems, Burkeans and other mentally maimed, intellectual cripples in texts like The Open Society and Its Enemies by Popper and The Black Book of Communism by the traitorous, faithless dog Stéphane Courtois to smear revolutionary movements in general and Marxism-Leninism in particular as negations of civilization. The purpose of this defamation is to weaken the absolute resolve and conviction of the true left, to confuse, demoralize, silence its absolute mission and to isolate, ridicule and besiege the Left. Further defined, the Left itself is the Platonic project – and Plato is the core of “Western” civilization -, of which the objective is affect the Form of the Good (that is, Goodness itself) which is the universal transformation of philosophers-in-training into philosopher-kings of all peoples. It is arguable that leftism and abstract goodness itself are synonymous and thus the defamation of the Left is therefore the defamation of goodness itself – this would be for another paper.
Thesis
In response to this blackest of defamation and for that the Left is in fact Platonic (Western) Civilization itself, this essay argues five points 1) from the First World War, to Operation Barbarossa, to Operation Condor and American imperialism in general, it is in fact the rightists, centrists and left-liberals that are the negation of Platonic (Western) Civilization and therefore, by process of elimination, it is the Left that is Platonic (Western) Civilization 2) that Evolism and Spenglerism of the Right betrayed the Platonic project (synonymous with Platonic Civilization), respectively in favour of the Vedic and the Apollonian ones, again by process of elimination leaving the Left to become Platonic civilization 3) because anti-leftists Karl Popper and Stephane Courtois threw Plato’s tradition to the left, they cannot claim Platonic civilization and it is in fact only the left that can 4) that wherever the Left has been allowed and compelled to do its work, it has brought civilizations that have subsumed this Platonic project back from the brink to new heights of power, in particular from the French Revolutionary Wars, the Kingdom of France to Revolutionary France, from the Russian Civil War and WWI, the Russian Empire to the Soviet Union, from the Opium Wars, the Sino-Japanese Wars, the Qing dynasty to the People’s Republic of China. Additionally, from those dire straits, the Left alone has rejuvenated those direly crippled civilizations, effectively reviving them as Platonic fusion-civilizations. Thus, the Left itself is Platonic (Western) Civilization. 5) Although the French, October and Chinese Revolutions were never Hellenic-Greek, they all demonstrably lived up to Plato’s ideals. Thus, the Left itself is Platonic (Western) Civilization and the People’s Republic of China is the true form of Platonic (Western) Civilization that Mohandas Gandhi said would be a good idea, currently on the planet.

Body
1 – Rightist, centrist, left-liberal negation of Platonic Civilization and the Left as Platonic Civilization
The right, centre and left-liberals are in fact most responsible for the destruction of so-called “Western Civilization” (i.e. Platonic Civilization) and by process of elimination and by defence of Platonic Civilization, the left itself is Platonic Civilization. Where political wings or factions are chiefly responsible for the degradation and destruction of said civilization, the wing/faction that opposes that degradation and destruction is that civilization itself. Inducing this, consider that the Huns of Attila degraded and destroyed Roman civilization – thus they were not Roman civilization, rather the Western Roman Empire was Roman civilization itself. Further, the Mongols degraded and destroyed Persian civilization – thus they were not Persian civilization, rather the Khwarezmids which resisited in vain were Persian civilization. Additionally, the East India Company degraded and destroyed Indian civilization and so could not have been Indian civilization – rather, the Mughals and Maratha were Indian civilization. The rule therefore is that political factions chiefly responsible for the degradation of destruction of a particular civilization cannot be that civilization and rather it is those political factions which resist that degradation and destruction which are those civilizations themselves. To this rule, consider that historically speaking and in the present, it is the global right that is responsible for the destruction of Western Civilization. For example, examine the destruction caused by Operation Barbarossa by the German Reich – of whom Goebbels wished to undo the 1789 French Revolution - “The combined damage consisted of complete or partial destruction of 1,710 cities and towns, 70,000 villages/hamlets, 2,508 church buildings, 31,850 industrial establishments, 64,000 kilometres (40,000 mi) of railroad, 4,100 railroad stations, 40,000 hospitals, 84,000 schools, and 43,000 public libraries; leaving 25 million homeless. Seven million horses, 17 million cattle, 20 million pigs, 27 million sheep were also slaughtered or driven off. ” Note well, 40000 hospitals, 84000 schools and 43000 libraries! Examine the current capitalist-related climate change crisis which has caused massive flood destruction in Europe and the 2019-2020 bushfire season in Australia, the inevitable outcome of years of Labor neoliberal and Liberal climate change mismanagement . Furthermore, consider the Pinochet-era book burnings in Cuba as an element more generally of Operation Condor. The anti-literacy tendency from Barbarossa to Condor, the physical destruction wreaked by Barbarossa and the Climate Crisis all point to a general tendency of non-Left elements of sabotaging and wrecking the Transformation of Philosopher-in-Training to Philosopher-King which forms the core of Platonic civilization, of the Form of the Good itself . No books, no schools, no Transformation, no civilization. In extreme contrast, consider the Likbez of the Soviet Union, which from the old 1897 Tsarist literacy rate of 24% of the total population, raised it to 89.7% by 1939 and 100% by 1950 . To read is to inevitably philosophise and learn, to have knowledge is to have power and to have such power is to approximate the Philosopher-King and in this realization, Plato’s Good manifests itself. Additionally, consider the sentiment that simplified Chinese characters rapidly reduced illiteracy in mainland China and how from 1959 with a literacy rate of 77% to 1962, the Cuban literacy campaign increased the literacy rate to 96% - three short years and Cuba became a virtually fully literate country , contrasted with the gruesome 50 years it took from Bolivia, Brazil, Colombia and Paraguay to drag themselves from 44-92, 60-91, 70-94, 73-94 all a Latin American median of 94% literacy. Literacy and philosophy, so instrumental to the Transformation of Philosopher-in-training to Philosopher-King, is not only neglected by the non-Left, but is actively and brutally sabotage by it. To sabotage this transformation is to negate the Form of the Good, which in turn is to wreck and sabotage Platonic Civilization itself, leaving the Left to be Platonic (Western) Civilization.
2) Rightist betrayal of Platonic Civilization for the reactionary Vedic and Apollonian projects and the Left’s maintenance of the Platonic one.
Evola’s and Spengler’s theories betray the Platonic project in favour of, respectively, a particularly filthy, unhygienic and faecal reactionary-Vedic one and a suicidal, brutal, slavish, servile, submissive Apollonian one and in their betrayal, the Left becomes Platonic civilization. Where theorists of a political wing betray the original context of the civilization for rootless, reactionary mysticism or a brutal atavistic distortion of that civilization, the political wing opposed to their betrayal is that civilization. In particular, Evola (Poovola) betrays the Platonic transformatic project for the vile casteist Vedic one, one which has realized itself under Mahendra Modi in the form of open defecation , cow faeces cures and Delta COVID – personally and severely invectively against “modern” India, one would throw the string of phrases “poo poo pee pee, Delta COVID farty farty, shit-in-the-streets poo-in-the-loo-pajeets” – returning to Evola, in particular in his “Revolt against the Modern World” (it is certainly revolting to the nose at least) it is absolutely striking how Evola describes and illustrates his ideal civilization in the form of elitist xenophobia (“outcastes and barbarians”), eco-fascism (“Earth will be venerated but for its mineral treasures”), sumptuary restrictions (“Brahmanical clothes will constitute a Brahman ”), superstitious fideism (“In the Kali age men corrupted by unbelievers…”), rigid traditionalism (“ Observance of caste, order and institutes…”), feudal anti-commerciality (“ He who gives away much money will be the master of men and family descent will no longer be a title of supremacy”), repressive self-denial (“Men will fix their desires upon riches, even though dishonestly acquired.”), patriarchy (“The women will pay no attention to the commands of their husbands or parents”), idealism (“Men having deviated into heresy, iniquity will flourish, and the duration of life will therefore decrease”) and millenarianism (“When the practices taught by the Vedas and the institutes of law shall nearly have ceased, and the close of the Kali age shall be nigh, a portion of that divine being who exists of his own spiritual nature in the character of Brahma, and who is the beginning and the end, and who comprehends all things, shall descend upon the earth. ”) all the while denouncing modern hygiene (“from the case of artificial "devices" to prolong life (which is meaningless and just a parody of the first type of life), realized through the means of profane science and modern hygiene”). This dull, primitive and above all stinky vision is what constitutes “tradition” for Evola, far, far from the Platonic project. The nature of Spengler’s betrayal, rather than to exclusively look elsewhere, is to look inwardly, to mislabel and to be a nihilist. He brands falsely, divides mistakenly what is really the Platonic project into the Apollonian and Faustian one. In reality, they are almost one and the same. Considering Spengler’s own irrationalism, it is not particularly necessary to engage much with his pessimism in good faith ("We no longer believe in the power of reason over life. We feel that it is life which dominates reason." ), so against his irrationality there only needs to be invective and derision. Spengler can only conceive of classical antiquity as a sort of Garden of Eden, a gilded prison of the human species (“the Classical/Apollonian as well-ordered aggregates of bodily forms beneath a corporeal vault of the heavens”) valuing aesthetics over substance (“The classical temple is an architectural body of ordered elements, optically graspable in a single glance, designed as a completely exterior experience for the eye”). Likewise, Spengler can only conceive of modernity as some empty void bereft of meaning (“The Western/Faustian mind perceives the universe as infinite space”). Perhaps Spengler is even articulating the normative (should-be, ought) in his analysis of the positive (the is) as he prophesies the end of the later Platonic project (“In the end, Faustian Culture, like all that lives, must pass away. “Even our machine technics, which seems so imperishable, a contribution to the history of civilization, will end with the Faustian civilization and one day will lie in fragments, forgotten — our railways and steamships as dead as the Roman roads and the Chinese wall, our giant cities and skyscrapers in ruins like old Memphis and Babylon.”). Indeed, Spengler revels in the sublime, the grim and in Thanatos, the worst fusion of de Maistre and Burke possible (“We are born into this time and must bravely follow the path to the destined end. Our duty is to hold on to the lost position, without hope, without rescue, like that Roman soldier whose bones were found in front of a door in Pompeii, who, during the eruption of Vesuvius, died at his post because they forgot to relieve him. That is greatness. That is what it means to be a thoroughbred. The honorable end is the one thing that cannot be taken from a man. ”), a slavish, impotent, suicidal worldview. The theosophist (Evola) and the Sonderkommando-Mischling (Spengler was the maternal great-grandson of a Jewish woman Braünchen Moses and he intellectually threw the Jews into the ovens with his political theory, voting for Hitler) are both traitors to Plato’s project, albeit their betrayals are in different forms. The former looks to the Subcontinent and imagines spiritual hygiene amidst physical filth whereas the latter gazes at the navel and sees nothing, respectively an orientalist and a nihilist. The failure of the latter is worse for in falsely distinguishing between the so-called “Apollonian” and “Faustian” one, he has not seen how Plato’s philosophy was the drill which broke through the vault. Idealistic renegades both Evola and Spengler are – one looks at the filthy Ganges to mire the Platonic project in its filth (the swastikas of Hindutva and Nazism are no coincidence), whereas the other stares at the project with an evil eye to destroy it from within. With such treason to Kallipolis in rightism, it very probably follows that the non-right – the Left must be the project of Platonic Civilization.
3) Left-liberal and neoconservative denunciation of Plato as a proto-leftist making the left become Platonic civilization
Karl Popper, a former member of the Social Democratic Party of Austria and Stephane Courtois, a former member of Vive le Revolution/ Vive communism, both traitors to the Left cause, intellectually maimed by their failures in the interbellum and May 1968 protests, both noticeably denounce Plato in “The Open Society and its Enemies” and “The Black Book of Communism” respectively. To denounce particular philosophers as the forefathers of a political wing effectively freely gives those philosophers to that political wings, thereby making the condemned political wing the guardians of all that philosopher stood for. The first volume of “The Open Society and its Enemies” is in fact dedicated to defaming Plato. Implicitly, Popper equates Plato with Joseph Goebbels: “Plato thus became, unconsciously, the pioneer of the many propagandists who, often in good faith, developed the technique of appealing to moral, humanitarian sentiments, for anti-humanitarian, immoral purposes ”. The prima facie absurdity of equating the philosopher Plato and the propagandist Goebbels makes critique redundant – all that needs to be known is that Popper has negated the central philosopher of Platonic civilization. Likewise, Courtois, rambling on, states in The Black Book of Communism “As a political philosophy, communism has existed for centuries, even millennia. Was it not Plato who in his Republic introduced the concept of an ideal city, in which people would not be corrupted by money and power and in which wisdom, reason, and justice would prevail?” In fact, the author did not even pay any particular attention to Plato before Popper’s and Courtois’ unsightly smears of him as a proto-communist egregiously connected Plato to Marxism-Leninism. However, if the goal of Popper and Courtois is to negate Plato himself and throw him to us the Left, as if it we were dogs ready to devour him, then the Left ought to heartily accept the challenge and not only that, the Left ought to benefit from that defamation. For by their own slander and libel, Popper the left-liberal and Courtois the neoconservative have thrown Plato, the central philosopher of Platonic (Western) Civilization to the Left dogs. Diogenes, the ruthless critic of Plato, is now accompanied by the latter. The Diogenic proto-left of critique and the Plato which Diogenes critiqued are now living in the same hovel. Popper and Courtois, themselves dogs to the cause, have thrown Plato to the dogs which they betrayed. And so the Left-dogs, the philosophers’ best friend do not rabidly consume Plato, but are now Plato’s dogs. “One man’s trash is another’s treasure” – they trashed Plato, thus we treasure him. The Left is now the guardian of Platonic (Western) Civilization, because the renegade left-liberals and neoconservatives have negated him – Plato’s house is the Left and the Left is Plato’s house, Plato’s civilization, “the West”.
4) The revolutionary Left in power, the phoenix-like rejuvenation of moribund civilizations under it and the Platonic Transformation of Philosophers-in-training to Philosopher-Kings
When revolutionary left organisations seized power in the failing Kingdom of France, the Russian Empire and the old Republic of China, they generally rejuvenated those otherwise failing civilizations and societies according to the Platonic Transformation of Philosophers-in-training to Philosopher-Kings. A political wing that repeatedly effects this transformation for the greater good can only be Platonic (Western) Civilization itself. The Kingdom of France, which in 1792 was mired in famine, debt and geopolitical encirclement by not only Britain, but by the Habsburg Austrians, the Prussians and Vendean traitors from within, was able to resist for a valiant 22 years until 1814 all the while abolishing feudalism and to this day, the Napoleonic Code remains carved in the lawbooks of Europe. The struggle of Robespierre was not in vain – indeed the French Revolution remains deeply associated with philosophy with the philosophes of the Enlightenment. Furthermore, the revolution promulgated worldwide, in substance, the first mass explorations of the ideals of democracy in connection with philosophy. Likewise, in the absolute darkness of the First World War, the Russian Civil War and the Treaty of Brest-Litovsk, the October Revolution, out of the ruins of the Russian Empire did in several decades which the old Romanovs could not do in hundreds – a semi-feudal, semi-agrarian society of the plough was raised to the level of a space-age nuclear superpower, even if only for roughly 70 years. In this transformation, a Georgian (Joseph Stalin) and a son of peasant farmers (Nikita Khrushchev) managed to attain the heights of power, despite their ethnicities having been of subject peoples mere generations ago – likewise, Yuri Gagarin the son of a carpenter and a dairy farmer managed to become the first cosmonaut, a practical philosopher of the heavens – whereas in contrast the German Reich had only used space for destructive V-2 missiles. The relevance of these three examples is that they are amongst the truest forms of the Transformation of Philosophers-in-Training to Philosopher-Kings, by the Form of the Good (which is probably associated with or is Marxism-Leninism itself). Likewise, consider the case of Xi Jinping and China itself. Xi Jinping, born in 1953, a mere couple of years after the most savage imperialist and civil wars, managed to ascend to the heights of China’s power in 2013 and China, which per capita, was poorer than various countries in Africa, is now exploring Mars and terrifies the old superpower and great powers of the world, simply by existing and investing in Africa despite not having attacked a recognised nation state, having achieved the largest poverty alleviation effort in history. All three French, Russian (October) and Chinese Revolutions, in some way, lesser or greater, achieved the Platonic transformation through Left leadership. The Platonic Transformation of Philosopher-in-training to Philosopher-King is the mark of Platonic (Western) Civilization, one that is deeply tied to the world Left. As a side note, it may be argued that China is the truest form of Platonic (Western) Civilization on the Earth right now because of this, the “good idea” that Mohandas Gandhi remarked of. Platonic civilization is not bound by ethnicity, race nor any other xenophobic, classist schema. Returning to the main point, because of these radical transformations, not only in themselves, but from the fact that they were from the direst of circumstances, out of the ashes of civil war, famine, mass poverty, imperialist invasion, the Left in fact embodies the Platonic ideal and because Plato is the heart of “Western” Civilization, the Left itself is Platonic (Western) Civilization!
5) The Universality of the Platonic Civilization and how all Lefts become it
Platonic (so-called “Western”) Civilization is well and truly universal, subsuming, incorporating and synthesizing all those other civilizations that receive it, not in the spirit of exclusion, supremacy and domination but in the spirit of universal brotherhood and common elevation. For those political factions, in spite of ethnic differences, that live up to or exemplify Platonism become Platonic civilization. The blackest defamation that the Left destroys civilization is accompanied by another black defamation, one directed against the colored peoples of the world that they are barbarians in a race war against “White” (a vague and ill-defined, ultimately classist term) civilization. Calgacus’ speech of antiquity is brought to mind, “to ravage, to slaughter, to usurp under false titles, they call empire; and where they make a desert, they call it peace” or “If the enemy be rich, they are rapacious; if he be poor, they lust for dominion; neither the east nor the west has been able to satisfy them. Alone among men they covet with equal eagerness poverty and riches. To robbery, slaughter, plunder, they give the lying name of empire; they make a solitude and call it peace.” . Indeed, Samuel P. Huntington (S to shit on his grave) justified the American rape of the Middle East with the imperial-idpol pseudotheory of “The Clash of Civilizations”. Furthermore, in his essay “The West: Unique, Not Universal”, in justifying Atlantic hegemony, Huntington denies the other peoples of the world the ideal potential to receive the Platonic transformation on their own terms, no doubt to justify imperialism and elitism with his gang of World Economic Forum mongrels. He further falsely identifies the project of Platonic (Western) Civilization with the Magna Carta rather than Plato’s Republic. On a more positive note, previously how the Left has achieved the Platonic Transformation in Revolutionary France, the Soviet Union and Modern China has been discussed. China, despite being Han and not Hellenic, currently embodies Plato’s project upon the Earth. Similarly, the Soviets, despite being Slavs, Turkic, with Jewish minorities also embodied it. To the disdain of the notorious racist Gobineau, the Revolutionary French, an admixture of Frankish-Germanic and Gallic Romance peoples nonetheless achieved it. None of these people were Hellenic nor Greek, yet they lived up to Plato’s ideals. Conversely, despite the Anglo-American hegemony and empire claiming “Western” civilization, they not only abandon Plato’s ideals but outright negate them. So in summary, although the French, October and Chinese Revolutions were never Greco-Roman ethnically, they all demonstrably lived up to Plato’s ideal of the transformation of philosophers-in-training into philosopher-kings. The Left IS Platonic (“Western”) Civilization and in fact, the People’s Republic of China is the true form of Platonic (“Western”) Civilization that Gandhi said would be a good (note ‘good’ and the Form of the Good) on this planet.

Conclusion
1) The right are the negaters, book-burners, school-burners of Platonic (or so-called “Western”) Civilization whereas the Left is Platonic civilization itself. 2) Because the right in Evola and Spengler betrayed Platonic civilization for Vedic casteism and defeatist pessimism, the Left is Platonic civilization. 3) Because Popper and Courtois threw Plato to the Left, the Left is Platonic Civilization. 4) Because the Left embodies the Form of the Good and the Transformation of Philosopher-in-Training to Philosopher-King in even the worst of circumstances, the Left is Platonic Civilization 5) Platonic Civilization is not bound by any particular “race”, ethnicity nor culture and the universal left, in fulfilling Plato’s promises, especially in China, is Platonic Civilization. In summary, we the Left of all lands are not the destroyers of “Western” (in fact Platonic) Civilization that rightists and liberals defame and brand us as being, we are Platonic Civilization itself. We the Left are not destructive nihilists and vandals, we are the Guardians of Platonic Civilization reclaiming it from the Legions of Empire falsely usurping Platonic Civilization under the title “Western Civilization”.

The class conflict of Resistance against Empire, oppressed and oppressor, from Bouddicca, Hannibal, Vercingetorix, Spartacus and Arminius against the Eternal Empire has gone on for millennia, maybe even more on other planets and will continue until the meek reconquer the universe and build Kallipolis on it, regardless of whatever defamation is levelled against it.

William Strachey
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 No.391182

It's amazing how much fascists have a fetish for Eastern mysticism. Evola's faggotry, and many of the reactionaries, looked at China and India and saw these populous countries where the lower classes were kept in line and lived on nearly nothing, and said "we want that!" Of course, the reality was something quite different. There was a reason India and China got rekt despite holding what appeared to be huge advantages over the divided European countries.

Anyway, "Western" civilization is a myth that was invented after WW2, in an effort to rehabilitate Nazism. When the enlightenment project started, it was an attempt to make it the universal culture, rather than any fidelity to "whiteness" or whatever faggotry the reactionaries believed.
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 No.391246

Archived for future reading but some of the images are broken, does anyone know why that is? https://web.archive.org/web/20210721023315/https://leftypol.org/leftypol/res/386694.html
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 No.391256

>>387408
It's not an exaggeration. Look at the Hobby board on LP. The furry thread has 500 replies, more than any other thread about hobbies. It was surprising to me too.
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 No.391320

>>391294
You smell like gay.
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 No.391322

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>>391294
>You know what western culture is because it is that which you hate and seek to destroy.
Are you sure you're on the right website? I can help out if you're lost or something.
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 No.391479

>>391162
I have two small pieces of advice. I think you should date the floods in Europe that you're talking about, they won't be current anymore if someone reads this in a few years, and here
>Furthermore, consider the Pinochet-era book burnings in Cuba as an element more generally of Operation Condor.
I think by Cuba you mean Chile. This is a good post. Thank you for writing it.
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 No.391499

mmm don't care
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 No.391520

The left’s goal must be a revolutionary vanguard OUTSIDE of history. Our global civilization is western in origin and function, but it’s historical context is now converging upon our newly opened techno-nihilist end of history hell world. The only option is to remove the historical context and destroy the enemies of the human species (ie the neoliberals who stand at the end of history, and the fascists who are clueless)
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 No.392918

This dumb and spooked
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 No.397026

>>391322
Guys are we really going to be larping as we wuz greeks now? The greeks are dead, the Roman's are dead. They dont exist anymore. They are in the pages of history. Greek philosophy has barely anything to do with modern day politics. The only people who try to larp as we wuz western civilization, are those who dont have any legitimacy to stand on their own, so they have to refer to history. I doubt anybody here has even read Plato. He straight up says that he hates democracy, and instead favors aristocracy. For his time he was great, perhaps even the greatest, but why are we going back 2500 years and we wuzzing to Plato. Also OP's pic has a quote from Spengler, who I'm fairly certain was a fascist. What's next, we start copying right wing esoterism and quote Evola and Guenon?
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 No.401064

>>391294
read Guenon retard
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 No.401089

>>397026
If we had to pick a Greek to stan, it's obviously Pythagoreas
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 No.407482

>>391162
I'm editing this now for you.

My first thought is that you might need to define Platonic (Western) Civilisation from the get go, so it doesn't come off as EuroChauvinism.

for example, in part 5 you write

"Platonic (so-called “Western”) Civilization is well and truly universal, subsuming, incorporating and synthesizing all those other civilizations that receive it, not in the spirit of exclusion, supremacy and domination but in the spirit of universal brotherhood and common elevation. "


The idea of Western civilisation "subsuming" all other "civilisations that receive it" could be taken to mean something out of a colonial fantasy of "civilising the savages"…that's not what you're talking about right?, if not, then you need to define the term better.

For instance can platonic ideals come from other places outside the West, in parallel?
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 No.407496

Interesting take, but I also don’t give a shit because I would be communist regardless if it were western or not.
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 No.407501

No such thing as western civilisation.
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 No.407548

>>407538
>until the 1960’s
What a stupidly idealistic understanding of history.
Please tell me this is bait.
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 No.407559

>>407550
>If a tiny minority of people have this thing that is DEPENDENT on DENYING ACCESS in order for it to have capital value means the 1950s were just like a painting of people that don't exist

Midwit is not a meme.
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 No.407561

>>407501
Agreed. That concept is just /pol/'s comic book reading of history.
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 No.407569

>>407565
<says the guy posting old 1950s advertisement paintings
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 No.407571

>>386694
This is very compatible with Maupin's view of City Builders and Vandals.
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 No.407575

>>407572
Norman Rockwell was hired by large corporations like Coca-Cola to create portraits of the idealized U.S. life to sell products.
Definitely not the first person I’d cite for historically accurate portrayals.
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 No.407581

>>407572

>muh stolen MDE jokes


Don't care lol
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 No.407603

>>407572
>Norman Rockwell had three children,
And? You could cite nearly anyone at the time who had children as an argument then.
>you have lefty ironycel inside jokes that were stolen from MDE and had the edges bubble-wrapped
MDE literally stole it's schtick from Wonder Showzen, and nobody here is using anything from MDE you e-personality obsessed faggot. Don't you have a
$50 gumroad subscription (for one lazy video a month) to go be paying for?
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 No.407608

>>407598
Deshawn is fucking the hell out of your wife while you post here bro. Better get on that, the sanctity and stability of your nuclear family is at stake!
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 No.407609

>>407598
I quite frankly think that the right is more likely to lie about being unhappy, they do value the image of strength over being strong after all, just check out this study here
https://journals.sagepub.com/stoken/rbtfl/aQgdXL1bx/R8k/full
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 No.407615

>>407612
/pol/ didn't invent jokes, hell when was the last time a meme of theirs even made it to the mainstream? Most image board humor comes from /v/, /tv/, /fit/ and /a/
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 No.407619

>>407612
/pol/ didn't invent jokes about your wife fucking another dude dumbass.
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 No.407621

>>407538
>>407550
>>407565
Read society of spectacle and Dialectics of Enlightenment
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 No.407623

>>407598
>You people are really adamant about this whole "NUCLEAR FAMILIES AND STABLE SOCIETIES HAVE NEVER EXISTED"
Nuclear families were not the dominant form of family for the majority of human existence, and it's not even the most dominant form globally. That would be the extended family. And your "stable society" had its own slew of problems which caused us to get exactly where we are now. Or are you forgetting which generation had such a massive degree of loveless alienated relationships that "swinging" be was massive thing prior to and after WW2?
>Almost like the only things your mentally ill asses can comprehend are subversion, annoying everyone, and disgustingness
Apparently thinking the nuclear family is an extremely atomized conception of the family is "subversive".
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 No.407636

>>407598
>"NUCLEAR FAMILIES AND STABLE SOCIETIES HAVE NEVER EXISTED"
Ahh, so that’s your hang up with leftism?
Do you ever wonder why the destruction of the nuclear family correlates with the death of unions and the rollback of social democratic policies that leftist helped fight for?
It’s almost like the full brunt of capitalism has a debilitating effect on family structures and causes them to fracture.
Nothing the left ever did has had that effect.
Also, the extended family was way more based anyway.
As for stability pre-1960, do you have any clue as to the amount of class struggle that took place before then or are you fucking with me?
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 No.407640

>>407598
READ SOCIETY OF SPECTACLE, DIALECTICS OF ENLIGHTMENT AND MINIMA MORALIA
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>>407550
>>407572
Edward Hopper > Norman Rockwell
Just throwing that out there.
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 No.407765

>>407482
>The idea of Western civilisation "subsuming" all other "civilisations that receive it" could be taken to mean something out of a colonial fantasy of "civilising the savages"…that's not what you're talking about right?, if not, then you need to define the term better.

Sorry, Hegel's Aufhebung "sublation" would capture it more accurately. Not so much a hegemonic simulation but rather an authentic rationalisation. Picture how anti-imperialist countries such as North Korea, East Germany and the Soviet Union had strong military parades that incorporated, mirrored, yet negated Empire.
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>>407765
*hegemonic assimilation
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 No.409073

>>386694
Lol no. Our goal is to dismantle every Western government and basically help China and Cuba take over.
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 No.409166

>>391162

>What characterized the Third Reich was the “racial megalomania” of the self-proclaimed “master race”, which had carried forth a “diabolical program of depopulation”, and before that the eradication of

the culture of the conquered territories. Hitler stuck to Nietzsche’s maxim: “if one wants slaves, it’s foolish to educate them like masters." The orientation of “Russian socialism” was the precise opposite; massively expanding education and culture, it had demonstrated it didn’t want “slaves”, but instead “thinking men”, therefore placing them on the “path to freedom."
<Domenico Losurdo

>When I see Hitler and Mussolini persecute men for their race, and invent that terrible anti-Jewish legislation that we’re familiar with, and when I see how the Russians, made up of 160

different races, seek their fusion, overcoming the existing differences between Asia and Europe, this attempt, this effort toward the unification of human society, let me just say that
this is the work of a Christian, this is eminently universalistic in the Catholic sense.
<De Gasperi (1956), pp. 15-16
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>>387196
That specific Nazi has been only one dude that for some reason decided to stay here acting like a clown
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>>386694
Schizo-mystified obscurantism is anti-materialist, reactionary and counterrevolutionary. It is a breeding ground for fascist delusion. Go to gulag.
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 No.409466

>>386969
>Life under the tsar was better
Citation needed
>The 3rd Reich rebuilt the failed state that social democracy had ravaged.
If you are describing the so-called economic success of the 3rd reich, you are wrong. Expelling undesirables from the workforce whilst in tandem banning labor unions is not genuine "full employment" just because you've moved the goal posts on what constitutes "full employment."
>>In response, Anglo capitalists waged war on Germany
>Germany was merely defending itself by annexing other countries
kek'd
not going to bother reading the rest of your drivel
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 No.409747

>>409466
>Citation needed
Well for one, people like you had no say in civilization
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 No.409759

>>409747
Back in the Tsar russia had no energy,sewer systems,famines every decade and people died at the age of 30, but since amerishits are not even human i don't think you would care about your basic needs for living.
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 No.409787

>>409759
If you've read any real history, almost all metrics of social health like social capital, crime, and mental illness were nonexistent compared to today, but there was hierarchy and no brown people so it HAD to have been the worst place on earth
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 No.409809

>>409787
>social capital
A literal feudal shithole.
>Mental illness
Diseases and famine caused a lot mental illness.
>crime
Still existed back in the day fucktard.
You want to prove that "dae old days" were better but everytime you pick the worst fucking examples possible literal mudholes were 99% of the population were iliterate on top of having poverty left and right, like a said you don't care about your living conditions cause you are bellow subhuman.
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 No.409853

>>409831
>it’s thingnoticer
Opinion discarded.
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>>409831
NOTICED
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 No.409990

>>391182
>"Western" civilization is a myth that was invented after WW2, in an effort to rehabilitate Nazism
When the civilization you've created is so shit that you have to pretend there was never an objectively better one

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