>>387001>You know in many muslims countries veiling is banned in the workplace too?Yes I'm well aware that some Muslim countries have discouraged full face and body veils in the workplace. Others have gone further in pursuit of Westernization and have cracked down upon the hijab and other veils in their entirety. While I think there are reasons why certain workplaces might crack down on full-body veils, efforts to eradicate the hijab in its entirety have been exclusively pursued by the most absurdly pro-west, liberal Muslim nations like Turkey, the Shah's Iran, and Tunisia. I think such efforts reflect not any sort of cultural relativity, but rather deliberate efforts to crush Islamic tradition in pursuit of "Westernization". Given the track records of the nations I just listed, I think it would be inane to suppose that they were progressive by any means.
>Lmao, the FLN after the revolution forced to veil women and then banned the communist party. Nice comrades. That's the kind of shit that i'm talking about.Where the Hell did you ever get the notion that the FLN has made veiling mandatory? If you actually look at Algeria, the hijab is by no means mandatory, not to mention most of the women comrades in the FLN didn't veil. If you even just look up "algerian women", you will find many, many women who choose to go without veils, including FLN legends like Djamila Bouhired. I have no idea where you're getting such a claim. The most I can find saying something remotely similar to that is an Independent article claiming that the Algerian Civil War made veiling mandatory, and even if that were to somehow be the case, that clearly is no longer true, nor was it true before the Civil War. And yes, the banning of the communist party was a misstep, but the Cold-War era FLN was still a laudable movement for national liberation, it's disingenuous to paint them as any sort of closet reactionaries, at least before their liberalization. I also noticed that from my original sentence, you conveniently left out that explicitly ML orgs like the PFLP and the ICP also fully tolerate veiling.
>I'm claiming this. Go read when veiling was adopted in most countries and come here to tell me again about muh pre colonial identity and other bullshitWell then you're wrong, veiling has a rich history that predates Islam, and while it was by no means an absolute presence within all of Islam, it still had a wide presence in the Islamic world in the aftermath of the Arab conquests. Hell, veiling became particularly prominent in the Ottoman Empire long before Christian Europe started colonizing. For fuck's sake, even medieval Christian societies had widespread veiling, not to mention whole other groups of non-Muslim MENA societies. I don't know how you can honestly think that veiling was some sort of modern invention, that's just blatantly wrong.
>>387011Thank you, idk why everyone is making it out to be some sort of mark of evil patriarchy when it's literally just a headscarf, no more "despotic" than a Christian woman dressing modestly. Hell, even in the most fervent periods of the Soviet Hujum, the Soviets never outright banned veiling. At most, veiling simply shifted from more traditional veils to more modern ones. I don't see why these people feel the need to get so enraged over something as frankly inoffensive as a headscarf; it honestly just makes me think that very few of them have actually interacted with a hijabi.