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 No.365866

>tfw you were tricked by internet memes into believing that a proletarian uprising was imminent within the imperial core
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 No.365875

>>365866
I have never believed this, I think that the United States has a series of anti-revolutionary stop-gaps it made in the past century, I think the United States needs to collapse in order for there to be real revolutionary thought.
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 No.365879

Haha OP, you're dum
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 No.365882

Oh if only
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 No.365885

>>365875
The US is the industrialised country with the least chance of revolution. Barbarism is their only remaining future.
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 No.365887

It would be funny if you post this and then a few months later there's a proletarian uprising within the imperial core. Surprise, bitch
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 No.365905

>>365887
A man can dream
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 No.365947

>>365887
after all, lenin himself was surprised by the revolution.
>>365866
the thing is to trick enough people so its not a trick anymore
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 No.366411

To be fair, there is no country on this earth which will have a prole uprising ever again.
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 No.366425

>>365875
The ironic part is that the US is probably one of the most favourable countries for revolution (or at least a strong workers' movement) in terms of the poor conditions and raw dissatisfaction of the proles. The problem is that they are totally lacking in organization and thus can't turn this energy into effective action.
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 No.366433

>>366425
Is that because their communist parties are all neutered by the state? Or a lack of effective ways to propagandize? I just wonder what a united left needs to work on in imperialist western countries.
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 No.366450

>>366433
I think the primary culprit has to do with the workers' movement more or less being destroyed in the US with the neoliberal era. It began in the postwar era when the labour movement was effectively integrated into the Democratic Party apparatus. When the party dissolved its coalition with the American industrial worker in the 70s-90s, they were left without real political or economic organization. Ironically this somewhat mirrors the problems faced by the Russian proles in the post-Soviet period: all their organizations were integrated into the CPSU, so when the party leadership turned on them they were left with no tools to defend their interests.
>I just wonder what a united left needs to work on in imperialist western countries.
It depends on the country, since the workers' movement still retains far greater strength in some countries compared to others. In North America, where it is the weakest, the immediate task is to rebuild a broad workers' movement which will act as a prerequisite for a militant socialist one. In short we should be seeking to expand worker organization and power at every possible turn, I don't think we can afford to discriminate too much here, we will necessarily have to work with socdems, reformists, etc in this early stage. Once we have something like a broad workers' party, strong labour unions, mutual aid societies, etc. these will serve as the basis for building up a true communist movement.
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 No.366589

>>366411
Phillipines are pretty close. Just wait a few more years
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 No.366598

>>366589
Haven't the NPA been stagnating for decades? Or are there other commie groups active that we should know about?
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 No.366600

>>366589
Prole uprisings are the new nuclear fusion, always just 10 years away.
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 No.366612

>>366450
>effectively integrated into the Democratic Party apparatus.
This
It’s weird how many old union members are cucks to the two party system.
My grandfather even admitted that the union he was a part of sold out the younger generation for short term gains.
The unions are way too bureaucratic and institutionalized.
They’re way too willing to compromise because old boomers at the top just want to collect their pension.
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 No.366837

>>366666
Quints of truth
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 No.366841

>>366837
Not really.
>>366666
Look up "ideological state apparatus". Or "hegemony".
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 No.366848

>>366841
So he is correct and there's even a term for why?
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 No.366850

>>366848
From all I could tell he was just blaming workers. Not even the reply named the agency of the bourgeois playing any role in this "lack of care" from the workers.
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 No.366854

>>366850
Yet the fact of the matter remains that the workers do not care for their own class interests.
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 No.366856

ngl OP you chose an amazing picture for this thread. thanks for the laugh, failed plebbit memes are a perfect encapsulation of my inner feelings about the state of the West.
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 No.366863

>>365875
This is why acceleration is the only path. People are far too comfortable to ever revolt, even if the only comfort they get is a couple hours a week to play bing bing wahoo and watch netflix.
I want the porkies to build more coal power plants and drill Alaska.
>>365947
This. A general strike/revolution is basically the Area 51 meme but redpilled and everyone actually participates.
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 No.367021

>>366666
That's not really true. Things just haven't gotten bad enough yet, although even that is changing quickly as we've seen with the recent outbreaks of unrest and resurgence of social democracy.
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 No.367035

It will never happen in the imperial core because the gains of imperialism are too placative and the ideology is too consolidated. Socialism will only come from outside in, from the third world
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 No.367039

>>367035
>the gains of imperialism are too placative
"upper middle class" and wealthier people are a very small minority of people in the US. Unless imperial gains for the non-PMC proletariat means cheap (way more expensive than just 10 years ago) McDoubles.

>the ideology is too consolidated

However, I agree with this.
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 No.367045

>>367039
>>367035
Anons don't seem to understand that whatever concessions an imperialist state may grant to its workers to placate them can only ever be temporary. Eventually the saturation of markets and the falling rate of profit will force the imperialist bourgeoisie to claw back those concessions to keep the entire system from collapsing from a crisis of profitability.
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 No.367049

>>365866
Wait until the next crisis you impatient uyghur
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 No.367052

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>>366425
>The ironic part is that the US is probably one of the most favourable countries for revolution (or at least a strong workers' movement) in terms of the poor conditions and raw dissatisfaction of the proles.
America is the 1%
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bBZyS-2_1N0
>America IS the 1%: You need just $34,000 annual income to be in the global elite… and HALF the world's richest people live in the U.S.
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 No.367062

>>367052
That's not really saying much in regards to it's potential for revolution. American proles don't look at their job insecurity, lack of basic services, low wages, skyrocketing inequality, police brutality, etc. and think "Well this sucks but at least I'm not in Africa so everything is fine I guess." If this were the case then there would be no civil unrest in America.
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 No.367100

>>367045
Welcome to the eternally present moment of late capitalism, when nothing ever changes because the temporary is stretched into the interminable, the falling rate of profit is priced in and the future is sublated into the present. China abets a disruption to this model, but nothing will organically change in the imperial core. Opinions my own and not Marx's
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 No.367123

>>367100
>Welcome to the eternally present moment of late capitalism, when nothing ever changes because the temporary is stretched into the interminable, the falling rate of profit is priced in and the future is sublated into the present.
History moves slowly Anon. It's been less than 20 years since the neoliberal system entered its protracted crisis. Marx already perceived capitalism's self-destructive tendencies in the 1840s, but it took another 30 years for a serious workers' movement to emerge, and another 40 for the first successful socialist revolution.
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 No.367196

Imminent doesn't mean tomorrow or yesterday

within the next few decades which is imminent in historical perspective
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 No.368477

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>>365866
Just leaving this here…
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 No.393676

>>366433
FPTP voting makes impossible for socialist parties to get votes. No votes = no publicity = no movement.
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 No.393685

Sage and hide demoralization threads, anons

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