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 No.341653[Last 50 Posts]

Why does this book make right-wingers seethe so much?

What's so dangerous about it that it and the author have become the subject of conspiracy theories from the right, in the same way the Frankfurt School, Saul Alinsky, and Planned Parenthood have?

What was so "evil" about the CPUSA in the early 1930s?
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 No.341657

>be Soviet Union
>get propped up as the big bad evil in the US
>Burgers get indoctrinated by institutions to think their mission in life, is to destroy the USSR someday
>some guy comes along and says that the soviet model is actually better
<Why does this make rightoid brains seethe?
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 No.341677

This is what I mean:

https://youtu.be/jw8s-_kVGXw?t=2163
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 No.341683

>>341653
The book itself is fairly mild, if you ask me. Bill Foster basically lays out that America (in the midst of the great depression) is totally fucked and the proletariat can look to the USSR for answers.
I'm surprised Right Wingers have even heard of it.
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 No.341686

>>341683
P.S. here's a link to the actual book.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/foster/1932/toward/index.htm
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 No.341699

>>341683
>>341686
Foster was too based.
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 No.341720

>>341686
Question: how is WZF seen by the CPUSA today?
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 No.341760

That's back when the CPUSA was a real revolutionary party.
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 No.341762

>>341677
That was nauseating.
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 No.341775

>>341762
Worse:
https://youtu.be/0MMiI_UGUVY?t=583
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 No.341776

>>341653
he mentioned Soviet.
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 No.341799

>>341653
Doesn’t he call for abolishing the Boy Scouts?
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 No.341819

>>341799
And rightly so, it's an bourgeois institution designed to indoctrinate kids into subservience and worship of imperialism.
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 No.341828

>>341799
source pls
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 No.342084

>wanting a "Soviet" Amerikkka
Let me guess, you want a "socialist" Israel too, right?
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 No.342135

>>342084
You are a “stupid retard.”
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 No.342154

>>341819
No not really unless theyre different in amerikka
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 No.342358

One thing I really like that he states is that fascists accelerate contradictions acutely and forces those with rose colored glasses about fascism straight to either communism or back to the liberal democratic illusions since fascism liquidates liberals just as much as communists.
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 No.342505

>>341819
This.
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 No.342515

>>341799
He proposes a lot of authoritarian measures, but you have to realize that authoritarianism was the norm in politics of that time.
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 No.342570

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>>341799
>tfw it's real
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 No.342580

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>>341720
We regard him in much the same way normies would regard, for example, George Washington. He was one of the most influential communists in American history and a terrific person.
>>341699
Yes he was.
>>341760
:c
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 No.342754

>>341653
> Frankfurt School, Saul Alinsky, and Planned Parenthood
Why does the right always feel the need to link a bunch of leftists and progressives who had nothing to do with each other together in order to form one big gigantic conspiracy theory?
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 No.342837

Daily reminder people were literally starving to death during the Great Depression.
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 No.342873

>>341819
>>341799
In the Norwegian boy scouts I was taught to don't just ask what, but also how and why. Also how to start fires.
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 No.342875

>>341653
>Why does this book make right-wingers seethe so much?

no one is seething
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 No.342885

>>341677
That's Falun Gong T.V. btw
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 No.342993

>>342885
That explains the Mandarin subtitles.
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 No.343063

>>342754
To conservatives anything going against the established social order is conspiratorial. Objectively social norms are no longer monolithic. Neoliberalism ascertains if certain social structures run in tandem or opposite directions in parallel. Bound by the same chains of capital ignoring any real answers or solutions. Feeding off of each other, envisioning their predisposed worldviews and going nowhere. YOU are under attack and THEY are to blame etc
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 No.343068

>>342570
>the strike-breaking YMCA
what did he mean by this?
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 No.343072

File: 1624834895044.mp4 ( 2.06 MB , 1280x720 , Twilight-dedication.mp4 )

Not the book you're referring to, but…
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 No.343073

>>343072
why is this man always really well dressed but appears to be hiding in a backroom somewhere?
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 No.343074

>>343073
He's sitting at the foot of his bed, I believe.
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 No.343075

>>343074
What is he about? My gut instinct is to not even listen to this video.
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 No.343076

>>343072
Like dis if u cry evrytim…
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 No.343093

>>343072
>>343076
Sounds kinda fuckin' 🅱️ased
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 No.343102

>>343072
Beautiful.
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 No.343129

>>341775
>and he said, 'so the way that we are going to attack these three things is through homosexuality and radical feminism.' they have been extrordinarily successful.
Wut?
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 No.343271

>>343072
Yeah Caleb is a very sensitive soul and cries often in livestream.
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 No.343343

>>342570
Why was he so anti-religion when the vast majority of American workers are religious?
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 No.343357

>>343343
>Why was he so anti-religion when the vast majority of American workers are religious?
Because he was a communist who believed religion is fake and completely opposed to the materialist take on the universe and reality, and that religion in history mostly serves as a tool to brainwash the lower class.
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 No.343368

>>343343
Please. It's not like he wanted to blow up every church, he just wanted to get rid of the burger version of Hitler Youth.
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 No.343374

>>343343
A fucked up Catholic upbringing will do that to you.
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 No.343389

>>343271
>cries often in livestream.
LOL.
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 No.343399

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>>343389
Yes he was literally crying while reading Foster's book.
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 No.343458

>>341653
It’s outdated and kind of ultra-left if you ask me.
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 No.343545

>>343458
What parts are ultra-left?
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 No.343651

Why do settlers believe there’s ever going to be a “socialist America” when you can’t transform an inherently violent settler state into anything close to socialism?
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 No.343656

>>343651
>believe there’s ever going to be a “socialist America”
maybe if you weren't racist you could see that possibility
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 No.343658

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>>343651
>saying this while waving a Cuban flag
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 No.343662

>>343658
Hahaha absolutely dunked on. Love this reply.
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 No.344625

>>343651
Because decolonization is much, much more likely under a socialist America than it is under a capitalist America.
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 No.344785

>>341799
He calls for abolishing pretty much all bourgeois organizations.
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 No.344838

>>343399
Maupin always looks simultaneously like a 21-year old college student and a 75-year old grandpa.
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 No.344844

>>343374
I thought he was evangelical
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 No.344869

>>344844
No WZF grew up Irish Catholic. The Irish are the most totalitarian Catholics.
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 No.345613

>>341799
Based. Fuck scouts.
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 No.345932

We shall find out:
https://boards.4chan.org/pol/thread/328020245
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 No.346073

>>344869
Oops I thought you were talking about Caleb, my bad lol
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 No.346074

>>343651
Poo poo brains. A political will that's not strong enough. A hard belief in ballot democracy and not something participatory.
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 No.346927

>>341653
Is this tankie shit or no?
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 No.347110

>>341677
The CPUSA never worked "alongside the Fabians and Frankfurt School" ffs.
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 No.347452

>>341653
>Why does this book make right-wingers seethe so much?
That would imply that right-wingers have even heard of it. I myself had never heard of it until today.
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 No.347546

>>347452
Are you American?
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 No.347596

>>341653
> Why does this book make right-wingers seethe so much?

>What's so dangerous about it that it and the author have become the subject of conspiracy theories from the right, in the same way the Frankfurt School, Saul Alinsky, and Planned Parenthood have?

>What was so "evil" about the CPUSA in the early 1930s?

How are you even asking this, given that Foster risked his life several times fighting for the working class and was severely hated by porky during his lifetime?
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 No.349467

>>342570
Lotta hyperboles there.
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 No.349482

>>341653
>What was so "evil" about the CPUSA in the early 1930s?
Earl Browder.
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 No.349494

>>349482
/thread
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 No.349503

>>341799
Based beyond belief
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 No.349504

>>343271
Based Caleb showing a real leader needs to have both empathy and ruthlessness
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 No.349581

>>341760
No they were always reformist shits.
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 No.349619

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>>341760
1930s CPUSA was revolutionary only in appearance. Browder's transition to a "Popular Front" strategy for the party resulted in compromise after compromise in order to appease the white ruling class. Those photos of large conventions that everyone likes to fantasize about—usually captioned with, "Communism is 20th Century Americanism" are a perfect encapsulation of everything wrong with this direction. The party's efforts to embed themselves within the CIO didn't fare well either, which led to mass expulsions by union leadership after the war.
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 No.349620

>>341653
I wish but it will never happen. This abomination of a country must be cleansed from this earth.
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 No.349680

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>>344838
lel
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 No.349684

>>343651
Said the fucking Cuban flag lmao
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 No.350047

>>349619
Let's not forget either that if the Party hadn't been so visible in the 1930s and recruited tons upon tons of normies the feds wouldn't have come down on them as hard as they did in the late 40s/early 50s.

Whatever "street code" they had was broken when they let revisionists into the leadership.
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 No.350057

>>349619
True but the book was written during the Third Period when the CPUSA rightly condemned the likes of FDR as social democratic pied pipers.
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 No.350064

>>342754
Because pretty much all right wing thought after the dawn of the 20th century is a kind of delusional psychosis, a kind of schizophrenic paranoia that can only justify itself and continue to exist by said methods of psychosis and paranoia. In the year of 2021, anyone further right than Bernie Sanders is rather a complete retard, a genuine schizoid, or a selfish rich opportunist.
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 No.350075

>>350047
Way oversimplified.
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 No.350076

>>350047
Way oversimplified.
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 No.350402

>>349619
>"Communism is 20th Century Americanism"
*FACEPALM*
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 No.352284

>>341653
The right sees capitalism’s destruction of traditional values as a secret plot of socialism.
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 No.354518

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 No.354526

>>354518
If you run with fanatical syndies don’t be surprised when they start acting like fanatical syndies.

What a spineless bitch.
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 No.354769

>>342580
Is the CPUSA worth joining today?
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 No.354778

>>354769
yes
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 No.354784

>>354778
Why?
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 No.354939

>>354518
>that happened
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 No.354954

>>343072
>>343073
>>343271
>>343399
>>349504
I'm not a fan of Maupin but he did an excellent video on Foster's biography. Watch all two hours if you can.
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 No.354956

>>354954
Foster is probably the best American communist tbhqh
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 No.354960

>>354518
>tfw the KGB didn’t take out this bitch before she started yapping to Joe McCarthy
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 No.354981

>>354956
Double based.
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 No.354994

I wonder what Foster would say about America today being the world's only super power and hegemon over world trade and unlimited debt spending while capital has moved most productive labor to other countries?
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 No.355019

>>354994
Lenin commented on this a century ago.
>The prospect of partitioning China elicited from Hobson the following economic appraisal: “The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera, and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods: all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and semi-manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa…. We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of Great Powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy.
https://www.marxists.org/archive/lenin/works/1916/oct/x01.htm
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 No.355401

>>346927
grow up.
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 No.355895

>>354956
>white guy
No.
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 No.356054

>>355895
What if I told you Irish immigrants weren't "white" once upon a time?
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 No.356066

>>341677
Gramsci's Prison Notebooks weren't even published until 1972 ffs.
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 No.356091

>>356054
>What if I told you Irish immigrants weren't "white" once upon a time?
I buy it.
https://www.irishcentral.com/news/are-the-celts-one-of-the-ten-lost-tribes-of-israel-233823021-237790101
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 No.356384

>>355895
>white people aren't allowed to be communists
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 No.356443

>>347546
Yes
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 No.356557

>>342084
You can't achieve decolonization under capitalism, dipshit.
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 No.356932

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>>341677
strong nancy vibes
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 No.357209

>>349619
Based Marxism-Lincolnism strikes again
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 No.357220

>>341653
Glad this idiot failed, and we never got to see a "Soviet America" that would have been a nightmare. Capitalism stay winning.
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 No.357281

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>>357220
>Glad this idiot failed, and we never got to see a "Soviet America" that would have been a nightmare. Capitalism stay winning.
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 No.357290

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>>357281
Happy belated independence day, commie. Seethe.
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 No.357293

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>>357290
>Happy belated independence day, commie. Seethe.
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 No.357532

>>355895
Grow up.
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 No.357808

>>356557
Agreed, that's why we need a socialist People's Republic of Turtle Island, not a "socialist" Amerikkka.
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 No.357825

>>357808
>People's Republic of Turtle Island
Holy fuck, that's some South Park shit right there :D
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 No.357887

>>341653
Can you provide more info?
I have love how rightoids go right down the rabbit hole
They don't even do a penny check to see how deep the well is. They just dive head first in and the next thing they're doing is PHD mathmatics in linking everything to jews.
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 No.358899

>>350047
I think the party lacked a truly militant, underground wing during that era. This would of course materialize independently decades later under the New Communist Movement, but that's a different conversation.
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 No.358940

>>357808
No one except a handful of indigenous groups and their academic and NGO allies wants that.
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 No.362068

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>>355019
>>The prospect of partitioning China elicited from Hobson the following economic appraisal: “The greater part of Western Europe might then assume the appearance and character already exhibited by tracts of country in the South of England, in the Riviera, and in the tourist-ridden or residential parts of Italy and Switzerland, little clusters of wealthy aristocrats drawing dividends and pensions from the Far East, with a somewhat larger group of professional retainers and tradesmen and a larger body of personal servants and workers in the transport trade and in the final stages of production of the more perishable goods: all the main arterial industries would have disappeared, the staple foods and semi-manufactures flowing in as tribute from Asia and Africa…. We have foreshadowed the possibility of even a larger alliance of Western states, a European federation of Great Powers which, so far from forwarding the cause of world civilisation, might introduce the gigantic peril of a Western parasitism, a group of advanced industrial nations, whose upper classes drew vast tribute from Asia and Africa, with which they supported great tame masses of retainers, no longer engaged in the staple industries of agriculture and manufacture, but kept in the performance of personal or minor industrial services under the control of a new financial aristocracy.
Holy fucking shit. The dude was basically Nostredamus, wasn't he?
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 No.367432

>>341653
What I find more questionable is why the right would lump an actual communist like Foster in with left anti-communists like Alinsky and the Fabians.
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 No.368847

>>341653
>Saul Alinsky

>this is what the right-wing actually believes
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 No.379141

Just read a book on the ACLU by a right-winger and holy shit, the author was doing whatever he could to turn Foster into a villain. Not sure how wanting free housing for everyone or wanting women to have lives outside the kitchen is villainous though.
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 No.379161

>>357887
See the videos posted at:
>>341677
>>341775
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 No.380481

>>341677
This doc has to be a parody.
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 No.395974

>>343399
I want to give Maupin a hug.

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