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 No.322861[Last 50 Posts]

Can anyone please explain to me what the fuck this even is? I've tried watching videos on it and I still don't know what it's supposed to be about. At this point I'm not even sure if it even exists? Is it a glowop?
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 No.322863

It’s the theory about how racing is a theoretically dialectical transformational confirmation of the racialian principle of musculature dynamics. The dialectical conversatative comprehension of the dynamical computation musculature flux is the ergo philosophical disjointment of a gargantuan communities theory principle of musculature thermodynamic hydrocarbons.
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 No.322869

>>322861
Rebranded white guilt IDPOL.
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 No.322870

It's just academic liberalism that neolibs have co-opted into their corporate diversity strategies. It's comparable to the Frankfurt school (not in substance) in the sense that people bitching about it don't even know what it is and think its part of some jooish agenda.
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 No.322875

The theory that sparking a racial awakening in enough people is necessary to end racism. In white people, this manifests in the form of ancestral shaming and privilege sessions meant to make them understand that everything good in their life comes from benefiting from white supremacy, while PoC must be enlightened about how their problems all ultimately descend from living under a white supremacist state and that most problems they experience are a form of racist attack on their being. Once enough people are awake they can then begin dismantling white supremacy and privilege in order to usher in a proper post-racial society. The current color blindness/race neutral/equality focused mindset is a white supremacist construct meant to hide white supremacy's existence and to prevent creating racial equity (such as reparations paid by white people to black people) as a means to right historical wrongs.
Basically, it's gnosticism: idpol edition. The world we live in is a malevolently designed prison that can only be dispelled through secret knowledge and the destruction of the archons that feast on evil.
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 No.322876

21st century racial science
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 No.322877

>>322876
The original name of this movement was literally "racial realism"
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 No.322878

https://cpusa.org/article/the-rage-against-critical-race-theory/

>CRT is a field of research that began in legal studies in the 1980s and 1990s. Scholars such as Derrick Bell, Kimberlé Crenshaw, Lani Guinier, Mari Matsuda, Ian Hany-Lopez, Richard Delgado, Cheryl Harris, Patricia Williams, and multiple others began to criticize legal scholarship, laws, and court rulings that ignored systemic racism. More on its origins later.


>Consider how this week in Texas Republican lawmakers sought to enforce “the purity” of the ballot by passing many new restrictions on the right to vote that target people they believe are inclined to be Democratic voters, primarily people of color and poor voters. As one lawmaker noted, the “purity” claim derived specifically from the Jim Crow era in which white lawmakers subverted the 15th Amendment to deny Black citizens from voting. A CRT scholar might conclude that these events show how the Texas laws reincarnate Jim Crow.


>CRT in legal studies deploys historical knowledge and an understanding of the centrality of racism in U.S. social development to unveil how such language hides racist intentions and/or enables racist outcomes.


>In addition, it uses the legal principle of witness testimony to counter what it calls “majoritarian” stories. A majoritarian story can be a form of gaslighting deployed by the powerful.


>Think about all the times Trump said something like, “people say” something that he wants his audience to believe. This is an attempt to craft a “majoritarian” narrative. It is an explanation of events produced from a particular perspective that is falsely deemed to be universally true:


<“I didn’t get into University X because of affirmative action, not my mediocre grades.” (Affirmative action allows institutions to include unqualified candidates.)


<“Police always treat me respectfully,” says the white, economically privileged male who donates regularly to the Fraternal Order of Police. “Anyone who has problems with them is probably guilty of something and deserves harsh treatment.” (White people are innocent and need protection from Black criminality.)


<“We want to hire the most qualified candidates for this job.” (All white people are hired, and employers falsely claim qualified Black people don’t exist.)


>Majoritarian stories hide the truth. They distort reality, painting whites as victims who need the protection of the state and its coercive apparatus to control, imprison, and even kill Black and Brown people. A world in which the primary function of media and other social institutions should be to protect white people.


>By examining and collecting the stories about the experiences of people of color, we can learn more about patterns of racism and systemic denials of access. Suppressing CRT is a means of silencing people of color.


>Right-wing bloggers, commentators, and personalities, especially, don’t like being told their perceptions of reality and the actions they take in the world create systemic racism. They take offense at the recurring CRT finding: white people create white supremacy.


>Consider the backlash against historian Gerald Horne, whose book The Counterrevolution of 1776 showed that the desires to preserve slavery and to dispossess Native peoples were key motives for the American Revolution. He dismantled multiple favored majoritarian narratives with that well-researched book.


>Trump specifically targeted criticism of white supremacy in his ban on CRT. His aim was to create an impression that CRT victimizes white people for simply speaking their minds (re: saying racist things). His goal was to mobilize broad white support for his overall agenda. He created a majoritarian narrative that sees CRT as a tool of anti-white oppression, even as he fascistically wielded the power of the state to attempt to silence and punish anti-racist scholars.


tl;dr: It's an interpretive field of law that seeks to demonstrate the underlying racism of laws and legal arguments that, on a surface level, appear to have nothing to do with race, but in fact perpetuate racist standards, both legal and informal, within a given country. A common Marxist critique of CRT is that it often fails to articulate the dialectical relationship between racism and capitalism.

>What CRT could do better is to explore racism’s ties not just to the state and to institutional white supremacy but also to the historical development of capitalism and its present configuration.


>CRT scholars generally assert the “centrality” of racism in U.S. society and adopt an “intersectional” approach to understanding it. This means that they place racism at the heart of U.S. historical development and present-day events. They also connect racism to heteronormative-normative patriarchy and social class inequality, disability, national identity, and religious privilege. But racism remains the primary lens through which all of this is viewed.
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It's the latest Marxist plot to undermine confidence in American culture and values, weakening law and order, the military, and the universities. If we let the critical race theorists get their way, we might be asleep at the switch when the Chinese nuke us. This is why it's important to run for your local school board because we need everyone to be taking part in this fight.
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 No.322889

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Yes, indeed, prepare for years – I'm serious, this will continue for years – of anons posting threads like "critical race theory? What is critical race theory? What do you think about critical race theory? Critical race theory is why the left has gone astray. Critical race theory is why we don't have communism. Critical race theory sets people against each other. Why does the left support critical race theory? Critical race theory was created by communists to destroy America. Critical race theory is idpol. Critical race theory is rebranded white guilt idpol. Critical race theory is postmodern neo-Marxism. Critical race theory is 21st century racial science. Critical race theory is liberal / conservative."

And critical race theory will be defined as… everything and nothing. All problems will be attributed to it. All solutions can be had if we just get rid of it, and the only way to do that? Electing Ron DeSantis as Pre$ident of the United $nakkke$ of Amerikkka (Fourth Reich)
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 No.322893

What is wrong with Americans?who thought this name was a good ideia?
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 No.322895

>>322893
>What is wrong with Americans?
Where to start, where to start…
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 No.322901

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 No.322902

>>322893
It's critical theory applied to race relations, so the name makes sense
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 No.322903

>>322893
It was called "racial realism" at first but the named changed to Critical Race Theory because critical theory was starting to get very popular in academia and they wanted the cred that came with it.

>>322878
It's not so much law anymore, the core idea that the laws and culture were built on racism and therefore creates racism regardless of people do so intentionally or not has been applied to fucking everything over the years. Its ideas are used to argue things like "all white people are inherently racist" (because white is not a real thing and racism is not always intentional or malevolent in nature, but white caste they choose to uphold in order to benefit from exploiting POC using racism) and "whiteness must be exterminated like the parasite it is" (you see, whiteness does not refer to skin color but to the cultural and legal values people who benefit from whiteness uphold in order to steal from POC). The answer to all of these problems are, of course, to hire CRT scholars to rewrite laws, rewrite education curriculums, oversee policy to ensure it focuses on racial equity, sit on the writing team of all media to make sure it does not unintentionally work to uphold racism…
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 No.322906

That's not what they mean by 'theory', you book-reading urbanite.
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 No.322917

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>>322903
>It was called "racial realism" at first
Uhhhhhhhhhhhh
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 No.322927

>>322917
TBF this has nothing to do with the race realism movement, the name came about because they rejected the idea that America was or could become a post-racial society in its current state. Race was still real because the culture and legal system that had racism within it had not been destroyed.
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 No.322932

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It's another division of liberal propaganda designed to divide working class citizens against each other so they dont riot for fairer wages. You can find critical theory being pushed in public schooling as far back as the 1960s.
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 No.322942

>>322932
Right on cue. Enjoy talking about nothing other than this for the next couple years.
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 No.322943

Republicans are banning Critical Race Theory in schools because they want kids to be taught about class-first leftism and assign them books by Adolph Reed!

(You aren't supposed to know what "Critical Race Theory" actually is. It's just a label the right is currently placing on stuff they don't like. Sooner or later they're going to start labeling race-neutral, class-first statements as CRT.)
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 No.322945

>>322893
The awful people spreading it no doubt.

It's actually super funny when you think about it. Its such a nebulous concept because it's just white guilt IDPOL rebranded into something that sounds less cringeworthy. So everybody tries to use it as their particular virtue cudgel or virtue shield as pertinent to their flavor of grift and we end up with no clear definitions boundaries or anything.

Yet the only thing, and you can see this in every argument, that is clear. What everybody will 100% agree is that you should uncritically back whatever gets labeled with the "CRT" stamp because…

>Rightoids hate it

>Racists hate it
>Misogynists hate it
>Conservatives hate it
>Status quo pandering to rightoids hate it
>All good people love it
<Right side of history

An easy bone for the right to react to.
It's just white guilt IDPOL to keep people focused on RACE @-ing each other on social media instead of gaining class awareness. Right after they got fucked by COVID/their governments and are about to witness
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 No.322948

>>322945 mre
are about to witness how little improvement their brand new "back to normal" ruling party is.
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 No.323006

It literally means intersectionality and they just mean 'cultural Marxism corrupting the minds' etc.
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 No.323010

What the FUCK is wrong with Mayos?
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 No.323012

>>322861
Critical Race Theory is nothing but yet another burger "Academia" grift all designed to keep the working class fighting amongst each other instead of the bourgeoisie.

It's simply nothing more than the current ideology/civic religion of imperialism now.
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 No.323025

>>322861
its just idpol

but its also a bugaboo of the right
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 No.323027

White men should offer xeir asses as Reparations for Buck Breaking
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 No.323046

People started getting tired of and began reading the frankfurt school and realized that the grifters were 100% wrong about it. So critical race theory is the new right-wing boogeyman
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 No.323047

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 No.323050

>>323012
lmao do you think the working class gives a shit about what academia has to say about itself?
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 No.323063

>>322861
Critical race theory is the belief that everyone is racist all the time but if you are ever racist even once you should lose your job and never be able to be hired by anyone ever again.
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 No.323077

It's the new FRankfurt boogey except not actually even that based
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 No.323080

In practical terms it's just anti-white racism.
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 No.323081

>>322861
>critical race theory
It's just racist theory, it's not vulgar racism like using prejudiced insults, it's intellectual racism.
It's very clever, much more so than 19 century racism that had scam artists measuring skulls, pretending to be biologists.
The new movement for intellectual racism was founded on linguistic scam artistry. They reasoned that if they can manage to nudge people to personally identify with a race identity, then it would be possible to reignite the vile racist aggression of the past. And they were very devious, they used words and phrases that sounded like they opposed racism, it was a very effective cloak.

If you aren't promoting that all people should be treated the same, you are a racist. If you are worsening racial tendency with your race theories, you are the worse kind of racist.
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>>323080
>In practical terms it's just anti-white racism.
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 No.323187

It's just a way to examine the effects of systemic racism on (mainly) America and how white supremacy is institutionally reinforced through the laws and justice system. Idk why this makes mayos so insecure.
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 No.323205

It's a symptom of how we can't actually speak of race in this country without white people going apeshit and making a wank about it. This shit has just about no appeal outside of academia, but in that environment - an environment filled with racism that would make your racist Republican uncle blush - it has a niche.

American racism in particular has been a defense of slavery and later eugenics, and has been justified on those grounds, rather than some historical enmity between the races or some actually existing white solidarity. The white managerial class and white ruling class have no solidarity whatsoever with the racist trash, and said racist trash are the typical supplicants who will go along with any regime of power with whatever pretext they can find. Race is convenient and pre-existing, but you can see among American racists just how incoherent their race-theory is and how they have no fucking idea what "culture" even entails. Then you have the Eurofaggot racists trying to import their faggotry from the continent to a context where it doesn't fucking belong. It's all so tiresome. You don't need to invent a story about how concepts like law are inherently racist to explain why and how racism exists and has historically existed in American society, and likewise the American context doesn't make a lot of sense in Europe. Intense racism makes sense in a society where eugenics is the ruling idea and where the common stock are endlessly pitted against each other with Malthusian logic, just as every other division and group identification is utilized to segregate the population along whatever lines. Every way in which people can win temporary favor in the segregation process will be put into practice by the people themselves, or at least those who are given over to the ruling ideas that much. Without that, the concept of racial segregation in modern technocratic societies wouldn't make a lot of sense - which is one of the reasons why the US government really did push integration, because they saw that it was necessary in the long term and states couldn't be trusted to make white-preference laws. This sort of race-autism doesn't exist in the same way in large parts of the world - not because the rest of the world is woke or that they don't have their own concepts of racism and which peoples are stupid, but they didn't get too far into the eugenics shit that the West did, and so there aren't the same incentives to impose a struggle of all against all as a social normal. Most of the world looks at shit like that and sees it immediately for what it is, barbarism.
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 No.323223

>>322863
Hmm, interesting. Does it take into account the dialectical method of interpolation in regards to the fundamental principle of magnanimous enterprise?
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 No.323228

>>323080
>anti-white racism
Incel.
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 No.323255

Liberal Black IdPol with a psuedoscientific angle in regards to insane shit like "generational race Trauma" which is basically the application of Lysenkoism to Humans.
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 No.323317

Pointing out racism within American capitalist society is all well and good, but all sides almost immediately drop the socialist/anti-capitalist implications of this critique, which necessarily means "CRT" becomes either resentful seething over whitey or a corporate grift to assuage white guilt.
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 No.323328

It basically seems to make the correct observation of race as socially constructed bullshit, but it offers no material explanation or solution to it. It's also extremely burgercentric white american vs. black american, seems to encourage racial pessimism and "white american people bad because they're bad" tautology. It's basically a bunch of american academics who've correctly realized liberalism is absolutely full of shit in their purported anti-racism and innefective even when it gives a good try at tackling the racial injustice issues in burgerland. Ofc, as I've said above they don't seem to have come up with any alternative to the liberal project because if they even gestured towards marxism or socialism they'd get fired and blackballed out of the academy and also maybe they're either too dumb or too dettached from reality, stuck in their ivory towers and such…
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 No.323331

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It is a PSYOPt o privatize public schools, silence activism, defund/silence academic research, especially native and Black history (remember that the African americans only gained access to the historical archives for a but more than 20 years), a sort of new McCarthyism that was attempt with "ANTIFA" , "Neo-Marx PostMod" but never actually achieved or was able to point to leftist scholars or demonize public schools, now with CRT which is actually contained in the curriculum of some public schools, it can be used like the "Ungodly atheist Theory of Darwinian evolution" was several decades ago. Using it as a strawman to be pointed at to show "how evil public schools are attempting to CANCEL Jesus Christ and Bible (now it is "American values") from the class room." and get way more support for this public school privatization beyond their insane Christian base, because they realized that reactionaries are as retarded as Christians.

>Exposing the Motive for the Sudden Wave of Attacks on Schools That Teach Critical Race Theory

https://www.blackagendareport.com/exposing-motive-sudden-wave-attacks-schools-teach-critical-race-theory

>The War on Critical Race theory

https://mronline.org/2021/05/13/the-war-on-critical-race-theory/

>More than McCarthyism: the attack on activism students don’t learn about from their textbooks

https://mronline.org/2021/06/03/more-than-mccarthyism-the-attack-on-activism-students-dont-learn-about-from-their-textbooks/
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 No.323333

White people bad. Black people good.
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 No.323362

>>322889
Yeah this shit is just a boogeyman now. I have my issues with critical race theory but the faggots who claim it's the main blocker for leftism or something would've been the same retards decrying Jewish Bolshevik degeneracy back in the day as the reason why they had to go full fash. Same shit, different time.
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 No.323369

I think it’s pretty clear that American conservatives are taking disparate elements of academic liberal wokeness, artificially labelling these as some sort of singular but vaguely defined “critical race theory,” and then fearmongering about it. The goal of course is to paint any discussion of past or current racism in the US as “critical race theory” with the hopes of demonizing and banning it, as a number of states have already done with their school curricula. Want to teach kids about slavery? Critical race theory. Want to talk about the successes and failures of the civil rights movement? Critical race theory. Want to examine empirical data regarding the disproportionate effect of mass incarceration and drug prohibition on black people? You best believe that’s critical race theory.
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 No.323523

>>323331
this
the humanities department has been the biggest opponent of imperialism in academia so they need to shut it down
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 No.323587

>>323331
As predicted, there are lots of "why you should tow the line" posts but no actual answers to what "the line" is answering OP's question.

-What are you, a rightoid? Of course CRT is good, whatever it is.
-Don't you know its a boogeyman from rightoids like "cultural marcism"? You still need to uphold it though, whatever it is.
-It's like… I dunno maaan, like talking about racism history and shit, good shit. Need more of that, whatever it is
-I'm owning the "chuds" . I'm on the right side of history whatever that is

Embedded :
>Marxism Is Way Better Than Critical Race Theory — Vivek Chibber , Jacobin

Full interview for embed:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Zxmg5TA6II&t=0s
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 No.323605

It's pseudo-intellectual claptrap. It chases an idealized spook, white supremacy, which can never be eliminated because it is a concept rather than a material reality. And according to CRT, white supremacy pervades western culture in every aspect, especially American culture. But where is all this white supremacy? The most popular music is by black artists, they are represented in media, there are massive movements like BLM in support of them, and anyone holding explicitly white supremacist views is viewed as an outcast, antiquated weirdo, or villain.

However if you can make up an indestructible, eternal enemy, such as an idea, then you have endless justification to continue your campaign and make demands from society to cater to you. CRT is reactionary in this sense that it diverts attention away from the true causes of oppression and seeks to recapitulate racism under the guise of fighting it.
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 No.323617

>>323605
Another comment on white supremacy. The point I'm making is not that these values are somewhat represented in society, only that it is no longer the ideology in power. Those who support it are a faded remnant with negligible institutional standing. Some might claim that Trump was a white supremacist or at least adjacent to it, but first of all–Trump was shocking precisely because of how he contrasted with established values, not by how much he supported it. Trump's anomalous rise is proof that white supremacy is no longer the dominant ideology, not confirmation of it. Secondly, he may have had white supremacist fans, but they are all outcast weirdos with no respect or true power. Trump was a hyper-nationalist and he was racially insensitive, but he was not trying to reinstate segregationism or undermine the rights of POCs or anything of the sort. He wanted to deport immigrants because they weren't American first and foremost. He did not care what values his supporters held, no matter how foul, so long as they supported him.
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 No.323624


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S4nDxQ8Rpqs
>"That’s a great question!" Learn why it's powerful to encourage kids of any age to guide their own learning based on their questions and experiences, and how you can use an inquiry-based framework to lead a lesson on race, racism, difference, and equity.

>Part II of #EmpoweringEducators Digital Series on Race & Racism – created in partnership with Pizza Hut – highlights First Book educators from around the country, showing how they incorporate anti-bias, antiracist practices in their classrooms.


AKA Race Realism explained by racism existing through history and the present and why you should ignore class relations and flagellate to diminish the original sin of racism within you. You can never fix it for we are struggling against human nature, you see.

And that is why change begins with diversity trainings. And Pizza.
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 No.323648

>>323617
>Trump's anomalous rise is proof that white supremacy is no longer the dominant ideology, not confirmation of it. Secondly, he may have had white supremacist fans, but they are all outcast weirdos with no respect or true power.
This. Even if white supremacists looked at Trump and (correctly) perceived that his policies were in practice racist and perpetuated the subjugation of black people, this is not the same as the espousing of white supremacy as an ideology. Most of Trump's supporters didn't consider him or themselves racist, and most of them genuinely don't believe that his policies were racist. The dog whistle has become sincere. The beliefs which today perpetuate inequalities between whites and minorities: that the war on drugs is meant to combat criminals, that mass incarceration reduces crime, that welfare is too easily abused, that poverty is the result of backwards culture, that voter ID laws prevent fraud, etc. These are now genuinely believed by most of their adherents rather than being a cover for explicitly racist outlooks. Modern day racism in America generally takes the form of a subconscious association between race and class, where signifiers of black culture are taken to be representative of a class enemy. Like previous iterations of American racism, a distinction is made between "good" and "bad" black people, however the criteria for these categories is radically different. Prior to the Civil Rights movement a "good" black person was one who accepted their legally enforced subjugation, who confined himself to the activities for which they were "suited" (such as manual and servile labour), and who ensured that white and black communities and individuals would not mix with whites. Nowadays a "good" black person for the average conservative is one who simply has a middle class occupation, endorses right wing economics, and sides with Republicans on culture war issues. So long as these criteria are met, black people are welcomed into Republican circles, given political leadership roles, and allowed to mingle in white communities. You could argue that the use of token conservative blacks is just a cover for ideological racism, but even this actually proves the point, since it shows that even racists now feel the need to deny that they are racist instead of preaching it openly. All of these would have been unimaginable for right wingers in the 50s and 60s. Racist polices and attitudes are nowadays (for the most part) not ideological ends in themselves, but rather the byproduct of the conservative middle class and bourgeoisie protecting their class interests.
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 No.323652

>>323633
AMONGUS
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 No.323654

>>323633
Man, this ideology glows so bad its hilarious.
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 No.323657

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>>323654
>a modified historical materialism that takes race seriously
Damn if only somebody came up with such a modification and wrote/spoke extensively on it.
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 No.323658

>>323657
>race seriously
It takes race as the primary force of historical processes. Its entirely idealist and antimarxist.
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 No.323659

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I think there's a huge difference between actual authors and what people who claim to be speaking for them say.

You don't really see a lot of the "white people are the devil" in the actual texts. If you hate the typical "SJW" person, the best weapon against them is to actually read someone like bell hooks or Combahee River Collective and quote it back at them.

PDF related is a good take on this whole thing
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 No.323665

>>323658
My point was that it's inaccurate to say that Marxism hasn't seriously grappled with the problem of racism and integrated it into a materialist analysis. Fanon, Hampton, and DuBois are all examples of theorists who did exactly that.
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 No.323683

>>323187
It does not do those things as they do not actually use data that measure the effects socio-economic status or other predictors properly. For example when considering how growing up in poverty or wealthy, they do not compare and contrast within and between groups. At best it is done nearly half-way, essentially picking the data which leads to the conclusion they want
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 No.323739

>>323648
Trump was actually quite a benefit to the establishment despite its outward laments. He painted himself as a great big fatheaded orange target which played the role of the source of all that is wrong with American society. He was the perfect foil to the radlibs, a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, islamophobic, nationalistic, pro-police, white supremacist, fascist capitalistic bogeyman. This persona was just as often their projection as it was reality, for Trump embodies no ideology, no wider goals, no nefarious plots, besides his own narcissistic self-glorification.

He served his purpose, which was historic tax cuts for the super-rich and policies that super-fueled the stock market so they could get richer. Everything else was a distraction .

Political idealism will never solve actual problems. Let the case of radlibs serve as an object lesson. They created a narrative that Trump was some ascendant fascist dictator wishing to commit every evil in the book, when in reality that was all a show and he led his far right supporters nowhere. In fact, he brought them out of the open so that the public could see just how ugly and violent and stupid they are. Meanwhile nothing of substance has been accomplished, neither by Trump nor his opponents. Biden is a return to form, the return of a professional, reserved political management concerned on maintaining a failing system rather than fixing it.
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 No.323746

Is Buck Breaking critical race theory?
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 No.323747

>>323080
reddit mad at this post lol
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 No.323749

>>323739
>He was the perfect foil to the radlibs, a racist, sexist, homophobic, transphobic, misogynistic, islamophobic, nationalistic, pro-police, white supremacist, fascist capitalistic bogeyman.
It's definitely true that he complemented them nicely and legitimized their culture war nonsense. However I would still say that he represents a faction of American society which is somewhat opposed to the dominant globalist finance-capital faction of the bourgeoisie. His political coalition was basically an alliance of the industrial/productive bourgeoisie (concentrated in industries like resource extraction, some manufacturing, agriculture, etc), associated labour aristocrats, and petty booj.
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 No.323769

>>323749
He made some gestures toward repatriating manufacturing jobs and capital, but like everything with his administration this fell by the wayside of the near endless stream of his political reality-tv drama controversies and other entertainments. He was above all political theater taken to its extreme, and the liberal media bought into it hook, line and sinker, weaving a spooked culture war narrative that amounts to nothing productive.

As with any fascist or crypto-fascist, his primary concern was nationalism, and in particular courting the nationally based capitalist class. He opposed internationalism and had pretenses of bringing self-sufficient autarky to the American economic system which would bolster his wealthy industrialist support base. This is a contradiction because capital is by its nature transnational and his hybrid pro-market yet protectionist policies led to all sorts of confusions and shakeups, especially with Sino-American trade relations.
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 No.323794

CRT is vaguely defined, but there is one common theme amongst CRT academics and those who use it, which places it into direct opposition with marxist thought.

It rejects materialism while rejecting neoliberal (mis)use of statistics and technocratic dogma. It does so by using "stories" and personal experiences to inform policy/ideology/etc. It's about as lame and braindead as it sounds. It explicitly rejects class struggle as a "majoritarian perspective" and focuses instead on "intersectionality"

The result of this is insidious, as some "voices" will very obivously be "seen and heard" above others. It rejects the needs of the majority and overarching race/class/gender analysis by playing oppression olympics, with individual prizes.

If you want to see CRT at work, watch the woke CIA ad. It uses a specific story to push a narrative, in contrast with the neoliberal approach. The neoliberal version of a woke CIA ad would rely on "look at the success of our diversity program" and focus on overall results all while shilling for the CIA all the same.
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 No.323830

>>322875
> Basically, it's gnosticism: idpol edition.
*clap clap clap*

underrated post, CRT sounds like peak idealism that completely ignores the fundamentals of the capitalist system
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 No.323832

Republicans had a public meeting where they announced almost verbatim: "We are going to focus on race because thats the lefts weak point and best for bogging them down in distractions." Everyone knew this. Mfers walked into it anyway. If anti-idpol left means anything it should be ignoring this shit whatever way it susses out. Who gives a fuck. Schools already teach wildly reactionary shit. There are entire states that teach evolution is a lie!! Doesn't affect the political outcome at the end of the day.

Tldr- pure spectacle take a nap instead of thinking about this
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 No.323883

>>323080
/thread
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 No.323887

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>ITT a theory trying to explain the structural roots of racism and why it can’t go away without structural changes is treated as “white bad, brown good”
Picrel, it’s all of you
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 No.323893

>>323794
Ты че, не русский? Че знаешь о CRT? Его вряд ли преподают в российских училищах.
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 No.323901

>>323887
CRT, insofar as its a real thing, promotes a liberal-idealist understanding of race that reifies racial categories whole keeping the structures that produce racism intact. It’s literally bourgeois pandering to minorities in an effort to avoid addressing the roots of the problem.
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 No.323906

It's anti-white rhetoric
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 No.323908

Just radlib shit designed to vilify proles and glorify lumpen behavior
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 No.323966

This is just the rights rebranding of “cultural Marxism” so they can forgo the Nazi heritage
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 No.323974

>>323966
You don't see liberals advocating the "cultural marxism" spook though.
And you don't see corporations doing diversity training because "cultural marxism" is the raging new progressive thing.
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 No.323981

>>323908
Fuck off racist
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 No.324001

>>323981
I’m sorry, how was what I said in any way racist? Point me to where in my post I disparaged a race
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 No.324007

>>324001
A combination of radlibbery and being conditioned by /pol/ raids using "lumpen" as a substitute for nⅰgger
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 No.324016

>>324007
If you seriously got that from my post, that I think blacks are lumpen, then I think you’re the racist here, not me. How easy it is to expose the mighty whitey liberal who thinks he needs to protect his poor little brown brothers
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 No.324023

>>323633
Thanks!
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 No.324024

>>324001
The entire argument against CRT is that it supposedly vilifies white people. You say it's about "vilifying proles" which makes 0 sense, unless you were referring to white people and then you speak about "glorifying lumpen behavior", which also makes no sense unless you were referring to black people since CRT and racism in the US generally focuses on black people. Fuck off you halfwit and take your dog whistles with you.
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 No.324039

>>324024
No it doesn't necessarily vilify white people but it characterizes racism as an unsurmountable stain on humanity.
It turns racism into original sin which by residing inside people from birth, the proles need to fix, since being the majority it makes them responsible for any manifestations of racism.

It's the same logic that concludes consumers need to buy more expensive less pollutant goods to fix environmental problems.
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 No.324068

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 No.324267

>>323887
Except CRT doesn't do any of that you massive faggot, it's a fundamentally idealist ideology not based in material analysis and is contradictory to Marxism.
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 No.324319

CRT turns normie whites into /pol/tards, it teaches that race is basically a real category, even if it's "socially constructed" it's not in a really changeable way, (Derrick Bell started out calling it "race realism" lel) and also teaches that racist policy is in the interest of white people.
It tries to paper over this issue with a sense of noblesse oblige (or "white privilege") but does a damn poor job of it. There's a reason rightoids who went to school before CRT in education caught on are a lot less racist than the zoomer right.
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 No.324407

To me it sounds not so different from “Judeo-Bolshevism” or its modern cousin “Cultural Marxism”, one more boogeyman for rightards to blame the ills of capitalism on.
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 No.324457

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>>323187
>I dont understand why pointing out the flaws of one persons ancestors while ignoring the flaws of all others makes that person feel uncomfortable
Sure is a god damn mystery anon
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 No.324460

>>323187
Dumbass
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 No.324466

>>323369
>Mother fucker hasn't even read Marcuse
And to think you call the chuds illiterate lmao.
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 No.324468

I thought the only criticism of it was just that it didn't have a full grasp of class politics and how capitalism plays into racism.
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 No.324470

>>324457
That's not what's happening though, you self-victimizing retard. Explain to me how "the flaws" of other people's ancestors has had an impact on contemporary America? Obviously anything that can be said to have had an impact stand in relationship to white people. Do you want people to list of unrelated events in Asia or Latin America or Africa to feel better about yourself, lil buddy?
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 No.324511

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>>323187
Yes a way that ignores class, affirms race realism in an an orginal sin sort of way and prescribes nothing but thin subset of reformist ideas based around "race". It's thinly veiled(with woke) white man's burden entirely made by americunt bougies , for americunt bougies to deflect from the encroaching threat of class awareness.

It's intersectionality for woke race realists.

And since the only argument for CRT presented so far seems to be "well ur a rightoid if not" …


I hereby declare every supporter of CRT a soylent chugging cuckhold and a raging RADLIB
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 No.324527

>>322893
It should be pretty fucking obvious its a reference to critical theory
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 No.324532

>>324511
So do you think systemic racism in america doesn't exist? Like for example, two equally qualified people apply for a job, but one is black with a traditionally black american name, and the other is a white guy. Statistically speaking the white guy is much more likely to be hired over the black guy despite equal qualifications, and this is born out in academic research.

https://www.americanprogress.org/issues/economy/reports/2019/12/05/478150/african-americans-face-systematic-obstacles-getting-good-jobs/

https://www.americanbar.org/groups/crsj/publications/human_rights_magazine_home/the-state-of-healthcare-in-the-united-states/minority-womens-health/

https://hbswk.hbs.edu/item/minorities-who-whiten-job-resumes-get-more-interviews

You're just willfully ignorant if you don't think systemic racism exists, and critical race theory is literally just a method of examining the social construct of race in america and how it affects different people, especially in hiring and institutional barriers.
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 No.324534

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>>324511
it also doesn't help that many of the wokest liberals are also upper to upper middle class radlibs on the campus of elite colleges, where the spawn of the elite assuage their class guilt by becoming woke and talking about every single oppression besides class, which is the one they benefit from (convenient). And they see lower class whites as congenitally racist, and engage in some mental gymnastics where a whining trust fund baby at Yale is oppressed because they have ANXIETY meanwhile they are saying some redneck has white privilege. It's a weaponization of identity against economic arguments in the service of bourgeois ideology to the point where they're even saying anyone who even MENTIONS class is a "reductionist"
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 No.324539

>>324534
>it also doesn't help that many of the wokest liberals are also upper to upper middle class radlibs on the campus of elite colleges, where the spawn of the elite assuage their class guilt by becoming woke and talking about every single oppression besides class, which is the one they benefit from (convenient).
Literally no one does this. This is entry level sociology you will find in any average state college.
>And they see lower class whites as congenitally racist, and engage in some mental gymnastics where a whining trust fund baby at Yale is oppressed because they have ANXIETY meanwhile they are saying some redneck has white privilege.
Again literally no one says this, why are you pulling stupid shit out of your ass? Critical race theory is a method of analyzing the institutional barriers black people materially feel in America.
>It's a weaponization of identity against economic arguments in the service of bourgeois ideology to the point where they're even saying anyone who even MENTIONS class is a "reductionist"
It's literally an argument in favour of economic redistribution, but statistically speaking, black people in america are much harder hit by poverty and systemic racism.
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 No.324557

"Critical Race Theory", to my knowledge, doesn't even EXIST.
It's yet another boogeyman the right made up based on the ineffectual idpol nonsense liberals engage in.
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 No.324558

>>324557
It's a real thing and it's used to examine the effects of systemic racism on marginalized groups that wouldn't normally affect white people. Things like laws, the justice system, institutional barriers to help, denial of employment opportunities, etc. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory
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 No.324563

I know you guys like to jerk yourselves off about being anti-idpol but things like racism, sexism, etc. don't stop existing under socialism unless you're actively working to abolish those things. You can be oppressed in more ways than just economically. Do you think black people don't feel anything if they're called the n-word, gay people don't feel anything if they're called a faggot on the streets, or trans people being dead named? And these are things that aren't necessarily relevant to material conditions but it's still a method of oppressing people and dehumanizing them.
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 No.324588

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>>324470
>Explain to me how "the flaws" of other people's ancestors has had an impact on contemporary America?
Well from an objective standpoint,
from the existence of said other people themselves.
Like by definition had a caveman not raped the bride of a chief whos tribe he defeated 5000 years ago in africa your black friend would litterally NOT exist today (as would thousands of other black people in america who draw their genology back to that same event)
The same can be said for caveman 5000 years ago in europe for your right friends.
Ancient history has a huge impact and we dont teach about in american education
Merely skipping from the Romans crucifying christ to the europeans colonizing africa and the americas
Its Eurocentric Eurocspeticism.
Things far outside of European actions influenced the Americas in many prefound ways (such as for instance the existence of slavery and human sacrifice in the Mayan empire leading to the spanish finding many allies more then willing in south america)
>Do you want people to list of unrelated events in Asia or Latin America or Africa to feel better about yourself, lil buddy?
Not necesairily (though i dont think teaching children about history outside of a eurocentric lense is a bad thing)
But it MIGHT be helpful to mention that litterally almost every society we know of historically on the face of the fucking planet had slavery and as such?
There is litterally nothing especially "evil" about the european slave trade.
What is evil is the system of exploitation propetuated by slavery in all its forms and instances.
And if we taught them that?
We MIGHT actually have a population capable of analizing history on a class basis and POSSIBLY asking questions about what systems in our modern world are similarly unjust on the basis of this material analisis.
(Opposed to one obsessed with race and eurocentric views of history completely destroying all revolutionary potential in all forms of the domestic proleteriat both right and "left" wing)
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 No.324596

>>324588
I get that it would be nice to teach kids about all of history, but realistically that's not possible and the triangle trade had a much greater impact on modern America and Europe than, say, slavery in ancient China.
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 No.324598

>>322861
From my understanding it's not even theory. Just a history of racisms in America. Honestly that's what they should have branded as of instead of slapping this theory shit on it.
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 No.324611

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>>324596
>the triangle trade had a much greater impact on modern America and Europe than, say, slavery in ancient China.
Okay then dont teach about slavery in ancient china if you really cant be asked
Teach about slavery in North America prior to the arival of europeans
Teach about slavery inthe inka and mayan empires prior to the arrival of the spanish
Teach about slavery in the ottoman empire (and in so doing give some context for WWI thats slightly better then "archdukeshotlmao.jpeg")
All of this would lead to a more materialist and class based understnading of history
And get kids understanding history more fully as competition of economic systems opposed to a German Romantic teir comeptition between "races" which inevitably leads to balck and white kids thinking they have less in common due to their skin color opposed to more in common due to their position in economic heirachy
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 No.324612

>>324611
I mean number one, none of those things are as important as the triangle trade still, and number two, even if you're right, of course the bougies don't want people to get a materialist, class-based education.
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 No.324615

>>324612
>I mean number one, none of those things are as important as the triangle trade
Anon this is kinda what i mean
Euroncentric Euroskepticism
In the case of the Myan empire's slavery it directly relates to the events which led to the entire creation of the colonialist order which dominated continent for decades and the base conflict which has ripped it apart (just as it has ripped the world apart) for centuries IE
CLASS
CONFLICT
And socialization to not understand it under this lense is EXACTLY what propetuates it
And is how you yourself are, i am sure not by intention, inadvertently propetuating it now
>of course the bougies don't want people to get a materialist, class-based education.
Which is why we should push for it.
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 No.324620

>>324563
I find you insufferable but you have a point
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 No.324623

>>324615
Of course I am eurocentric, we are both from a european-derived culture. Education should try to provide a world history, yes, of course, but it also has to provide a more in-depth history of the country that the kids live in. I mean do you think kids in Japan learn more about the Sengoku Jidai than they learn about the war of the roses? Yes, probably.

I personally like history and I know a decent amount about it, but not everyone does like it and many kids find it boring. It's not really fair to say that there should be such a huge amount of history content in schools because that takes away time from other subjects. (I mean personally I wouldn't mind it if there was less maths, but whatever)
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 No.324626

>>324620
I mean yes anti-idpol doesn't mean being social conservative but I feel like everyone here probably already knows that (well except for a few faggots but hey)? But you can't eliminate racism only by ham-fisted propaganda and just telling people to be nice to each other, you need economic reforms which take away the factors which drive a wedge between different ethnicities/sexualities/etc etc.
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 No.324628

>>324612
Anon just to be clear i dont think your acting in bad faith
I just think on a fundimental level this is something we as a movement need to collectively push for (IE class education)
And the only way to achieve that is to give kids a frame of reference.
To teach kids about an example of slavery other then whites owning blacks to show them that whites and blacks AREN'T the common denominator that made the issue
Slavery (and broadly exploitation) is what caused the injustice
And doing that will allow for them to understand where there energies should put and infact can be put to better the world and humanities relations within it
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 No.324629

>>324628
I agree that kids shouldn't be only taught that white people owned slaves. And they should probably be told about the role of (some) Africans in the trans-atlantic slave trade as well. So if that's what you want me to say I agree. But, as I said, it only makes sense for there to be more focus on European/American related matters in US education.
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 No.324635

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 No.324640

>>324635
Until the idpol-er stabs you in the back because they're just another fucking climber.
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 No.324643

>>324640
Stop basing your perceptions of groups associated with idpol around people you meet online. People in real life are much more rational and can be reasonable in explaining how being a marginalized class affects them without being snobby about it or hating white people. I've had this conversation with so many people and I'm white as a ghost. They don't think I'm virtue signalling and they appreciate respect in wanting genuine insight as to how they experience socio-economic difficulties.
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 No.324655

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>>324558
>>324558
>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory
Are you sure you want to quote Wikipedia on what CRT is? It seems like liberal, racial intersectionality IDPOL however you cut that article.

In fact, it looks exactly like the "academic background" some sharply dressed PMC #girlboss would cite in their diversity training slides before telling you about how likely it is your family was involved in slavery, and what you should feel about it and your BIPOC coworkers.
Don't worry sweetheart, it's okay to cry. Many of my pupils don't realize how much racism they have internalized until they read how my workshop could impact their job security in the future.
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 No.324658

>>324563
>I know you guys like to jerk yourselves off about being anti-idpol but things like racism, sexism, etc. don't stop existing under socialism unless you're actively working to abolish those things.
But isn't the whole "black people can't be racist" nonsense based on the idea that they lack institutional power (which is already a completely laughable claim considering institutional power is not held by "whites" or "Jews" or any other ethnicity as a whole, but by the capitalist class, which includes blacks)? If "racism is power+prejudice", then does it not follow that addressing the "power" part of the equation effectively WOULD end racism as you clowns define it?
>>324635
kys crypto-rightoid. The idea that various "identities" are a collective with shared interests across class lines is the epitome of false consciousness. How is pointing to ruling class white people, men, straight people, etc. and saying "this means that x group controls everything!" any different from when anti-semites do the same with Jews?
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 No.324660

>>324655
Just because PMC weaponize idpol to virtue signal about their wokeness doesn't mean things like systemic racism and subconscious biases don't exist. Just because she's a grifter doesn't mean everyone should automatically shut down people who talk about anti-racist rhetoric.
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 No.324662

>>324660
The internet's poisoned our heuristics.
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 No.324663

>>324662
Then stop basing your heuristics around internet bullshit. Go talk to people in real life.
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 No.324673

>>324658
>But isn't the whole "black people can't be racist" nonsense based on the idea that they lack institutional power (which is already a completely laughable claim considering institutional power is not held by "whites" or "Jews" or any other ethnicity as a whole, but by the capitalist class, which includes blacks)? If "racism is power+prejudice", then does it not follow that addressing the "power" part of the equation effectively WOULD end racism as you clowns define it?

Please quote me where I said black people can't be racist. I'm fine with talking about the capitalist class but the demographics of it doesn't matter to me. I want to see the capitalist class gone, but that doesn't mean people who are a part of the working class can't be racist to people based on identity outside of their marxist sociological class. So please, quote me where I said racism is power plus predjudice.
>kys crypto-rightoid. The idea that various "identities" are a collective with shared interests across class lines is the epitome of false consciousness. How is pointing to ruling class white people, men, straight people, etc. and saying "this means that x group controls everything!" any different from when anti-semites do the same with Jews?
Where did I imply literally any of that you fucking schizo? Please quote me.
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 No.324683

>>324660
Anti racism != Critical Race Theory

>https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Critical_race_theory

You brought up the wikipedia article, does it not accurately represent what CRT is?
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 No.324689

>>324673
>Please quote me where I said black people can't be racist
The "racism=prejudice+power" nonsense is part of CRT which is what you're trying to defend
>Where did I imply literally any of that you fucking schizo?
The idea that various identities have shared interests as a whole is the basis of identity politics, the thing the image you posted was in favor of. The term "identity politics" was coined by members of the Combahee wrecker collective to explicitly refer to the notion that they supposedly wanted to advance the interests of their identity group, rather than working class people
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 No.324906

>>322902
Critical race theory takes from other things than critical theory though doesn't it? That's what I got when looking into it before.
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 No.324988

>>324635
Lol, nice b8.
I save.
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 No.325002

anti idpol is just the "ex" /pol/ack cover for their reactionary butthurt and an excuse to cry and bitch about transhumanists 24/7 while draping themselves in red, and everyone here knows it, it's not the exception, it's the rule and stated goal by the mods as a "conversion" tool which means nothing but to not challenge their reactionary believes and making the board nothing but another colony for /pol/acks who less and less bother with covering their shit
as long as they want some socdem reforms they are in

and you all damn well know it's true, the "ex" /pol/acks among you will cry about it the most
which means most of you
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 No.325041

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>>322882
>If we let the critical race theorists get their way, we might be asleep at the switch when the Chinese nuke us
Based, hope they get their way.
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 No.325044

>>325002
Back to reddit vaushite
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 No.325085

jesus christ this thread is a dumpster fire
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 No.325131

>>325002
I have no idea what this incoherent babble was even supposed to mean, anon.
Tbh.
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 No.325201

>>324457
I fucking love this guy, every comic is 100% schizoid delusional stream of consciousness but show it to any right winger and they go "so true" "this is exactly how I feel" "couldn't say it better myself".
Gives you a colorful glimpse at what's going on in their heads.

Anyway, even if we accept the ridiculous premise that white kids are so fragile that teaching them US did slavery and genocide will traumatize them, what solutions rightoids want to this problem?
Skip 200 years in history class? Pretend slavery was cool and slaves enjoyed it? Make sure the teacher reassures little Timmy that he's not at fault and his feelings are valid and everybody loves him every time slavery is brought up?
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 No.325209

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libtardism+racism, its also a CIA psyop
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 No.325228

>>325201
korean kids have no problem learning about the horrors the US inflicted on them during the civil war. It's quite literally only a US phenomenon where people are too embarrassed to teach kids their own history. Shows you how fragile this entire american mythos is.
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 No.325237

>>325228
Not the best comparison tbh, the better one would be Japanese not wanting to teach kids the atrocities Japan committed during the war (and they very much don't want that)
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 No.325313

>>325209
That CIA psyop has been going on for decades (they started this crap in the 70s in Western Europe to counter marxist-leninists supported by Moscow).

Some people still have not figured it out, despite literally the whole crowd of Goldman Sachs, BlackRock, George Soros, the World Bank and basically the whole fucking crew rallying under that banner.
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 No.325319

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>>325201
>that white kids are so fragile that teaching them US did slavery and genocide will traumatize them, what solutions rightoids want to this problem?

This is a complete strawman.
The issue is not teaching history, and you know it.
It's the part about terrorizing the white proletariat with guilt they are not responsible for.
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 No.325322

>>325319
Give concrete examples.
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 No.325325

>>325319
>It's the part about terrorizing the white proletariat with guilt they are not responsible for.
This sounds like the real strawman to me.
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 No.325329

>>325322
Concrete examples of what?

The whole point of critical race theory is to do a bait and switch, by first doing constant propaganda to explain that racism is the worst evil in the universe, that it inevitably leads to genocide, the holocaust, etc. (rinse + repeat for about 30 years) and once everyone has been well brainwashed, jump from the third rope with statements like "all white people are inherently racist", etc.

It's a strategy the CIA used in western Europe from the 70s to destroy the real left, getting their trotskyite agents to start countless organizations against racism, pro feminism, LGBT, etc.
They've used the same trick against Occupy Wall Street and evidently all this ideology is now well ingrained in American mega-corporations.

Why do I even have to explain this obvious stuff?
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 No.325331

>>325313
There are also some rightoids who claim the entire burger civil rights movement was a Kremlin psyop and point to Yuri Bezmenov's ramblings. Which is it? KGB or CIA psyop?

Even if there are foreign tentacles in this shit, it doesn't remove the very real material causes of anger and frustration at a real racial caste system that is ultimately borne out of class distinctions. Wanting to hand wave it all away as foreign or domestic intelligence agencies does nothing and makes you retreat even more from reality.
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 No.325332

It's a simple strategy.

Let's say you're Joe Proletariat, steel worker, member of a trade union, married, with 3 kids, They can't kill you like they do in South America.

But they can promote feminism to turn your wife against you, promote LGBT stuff so your son turns into a girl, call you a nazi to further demoralize you, etc.

It's been extremely effective.
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 No.325334

>>325331
>Which is it? KGB or CIA psyop?

KGB in the US and CIA in Europe.
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 No.325336

>>325332
Are you actually serious?
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 No.325338

>>325329
Concrete examples of someone terrorizing "the white proletariat" with "critical race theory".
Preferably something as dramatic as this >>324457 comic
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 No.325339

>>325336
I'm describing some painfully obvious reality, so, yes.
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 No.325340

>>325332
Joe Prole was already fucked before any of these things came into being. Reagan stood against all of those cultural issues yet helped to destroy Joe's union and family ties.
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 No.325344

>>325340
He was certainly weakened under Reagan, yes.
But now he's utterly annihilated.
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 No.325345

>>325334
>>325339
hello reddit!
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 No.325346

>>325339
Show me the Joe Proletariat that quit his union because his son became a girl.
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 No.325347

>>325339
Maybe the “pain” from what you say is painfully obvious is your brain tumor?
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 No.325348

>>325346
>Show me the Joe Proletariat that quit his union because his son became a girl.

Are you terminally retarded?
If you completely demoralize people with crap like that, they obviously lose any will to do anything.
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 No.325349

>>325344
Joe was further annihilated by stupid ass culture war bullshit? Tell me how that affects his material conditions. You have one (1) try before I accuse you of getting your le ebin anti-capitalist ideas from reddit culture warriors.
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 No.325350

Porky says: Black Lives Matter!
Porky says: Down with the patriarchy!
Porky says: Health at every size!
Porky says: Love is Love!
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 No.325357

>>325348
If it's obvious then surely there are examples of what the fuck you're talking about.
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 No.325363

>>325357
Think about it.
This propaganda was so effective that people who bought it are some still convinced they're real leftists.
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 No.325364

>>325350
Damn, guess I have no choice but to hate blacks, women and fat gay people.
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 No.325365

>>325363
What do you mean by "this propaganda" specifically?
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 No.325368

>>325364
Are you really this dense?
Not supporting those movements obviously designed by Porky to subvert and divide the working class doesn't mean you have to beat your wife or hunt immigrants in the streets.
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 No.325370

>>325365
The shit from the real left, which defended workers interests, to the "woke" left, that goes against those interests.
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 No.325371

>>325370
More vague posting lol, I'm out
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 No.325372

>>325370
>shit
shift
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 No.325374

>>324588
>But it MIGHT be helpful to mention that litterally almost every society we know of historically on the face of the fucking planet had slavery and as such?
>There is litterally nothing especially "evil" about the european slave trade.
You are just another white dude with a knee-jerk reaction due to his white guilt. Why lie like that to make yourself feel more comfortable? First off, there are different kinds of slavery. Slavery isn't just slavery. That generalization is erroneous. Americans practiced chattel slavery. And while for example black Africans also practiced slavery, it would be uneducated to treat them as equal, since slaves in black Africa had rights, their children weren't slaves and they were enslaved temporarily. The opposite is the case for black slaves in the US. Additionally, their enslavement was not reasoned based on race to specifically cast one type of demographic as a slave population, unlike what the European's have done.
I'd also be in favor of teaching a broader scope of history and obviously white people are not uniquely evil, but it's subtle contorting and twisting like you've just done that makes you untrustworthy. It's people like you why American kids grow up believing MLK was a flower power type of guy or don't hear about the Tulsa Race Massacre, because people like you would prefer to retell history in a way that makes you, as a white person, feel more comfortable.
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 No.325375

>>325363
There's a more pathetic contingent of faggots who are more angry at capitalists adopting the aesthetics of idpol garbage instead of capitalism itself, you fags get more angry at this shit than conservacucks do which is why you end up in their camp in a year or two. Just stop lying to yourself. If Blackrock didn't unashamedly pretend to be for progressive causes then you or /pol/ wouldn't be as angry and that's a fact. Your opposition to woke politics ends at that, it's the new version of anti-capitalism for fools.
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 No.325376

>>325370
Communists supported anti-racism and women’s rights long before the cold war. You sound like you took too many drugs one day and your trip just never ended.
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 No.325377

>>325371
How the fuck is this vague?

The left used to be very explicitly the communist party until the 1980s.

Now it's thousands of micro-movements covering anything from LGBT to feminism, anti-racism, etc.
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 No.325378

>>325377
>hmm I wonder what happened at the end of the 80's
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 No.325379

Should be critical rat race theory. It's just a way to coerce into grab power through nonproductive complaining and crying wolf.
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 No.325380

>>325374
Where to you fit the Barbary slave trade in your analysis?
It was on a larger scale than the Atlantic slave trade, and today Europeans aren't constantly bitching about it or asking reparations to the people living on land on which the slavers lived hundreds of years ago.
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 No.325384

>>325377
There's no concrete analysis of the situation, you just waffle about some ephemeral theory being out there turning everyone away from class consciousness somehow. It's completely feels based with some basic factoids underneath.
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 No.325386

>>325375
>capitalists adopting the aesthetics of idpol

Do you really, actually believe that capitalists are ADOPTING stuff? Do you really genuinely believe that? The corporations worth hundreds of billions of dollars and controlling pretty much all communication channels and the media are merely _adopting_ aesthetics?

They're completely fabricating the whole thing from A to Z, because it obviously serves their interests.

You are the ones adopting the ideologies they've fabricated for you.
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 No.325396

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>>325386
>Do you really, actually believe that capitalists are ADOPTING stuff? Do you really genuinely believe that?
Yes, they're fine with adopting tidbits of popular culture to appease a section of the masses as long as it doesn't interfere with the basic fundamentals of market liberalization. This is why Azerbaijan McDonald's was promoting the victory of their armed forces over Armenia. Especially as American and Anglo cities have became the brain centers for global capital, they start to cater to the cultural tastes of the urban areas they occupy to maintain a veneer of community and integration even as they do work behind their one-way windowed glass skyscrapers

No offense I think you spent too much time reading reddit posts on SJW shit.
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 No.325398

>>325396
>adopting tidbits of popular culture

So the corporations that run TV channels, newspapers, social media websites, etc. are _ADOPTING_ tidbits of popular culture?

Don't you think they're the ones CREATING this popular culture instead?
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 No.325399

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>>325375
Based. Truth hurts.
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 No.325404

>>325398
You're right, companies put on an lgbt profile picture because they made gay people
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 No.325407

>>325380
Is there a substantial group of white slave descendants living in Africa that are still at economic disadvantage as a result of it?
Did the slavers get away scott free, kept their accumulated wealth that their heirs now enjoy?
Then yes, I don't see why slave descendants shouldn't work towards getting reparations from slaver heirs to improve their conditions.

>It was on a larger scale than the Atlantic slave trade

Doubt
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 No.325414

>>325407
>Is there a substantial group of white slave descendants

Considering male slaves were usually castrated, no, they don't have many descendants.
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 No.325421

>>325380
I am aware that white people have been slaves as well.
>It was on a larger scale than the Atlantic slave trade,
That's just false, there have been much more black slaves in the trans Atlantic slave trade and I wasn't looking for turning this into a contest anyway.
>and today Europeans aren't constantly bitching about it
Probably because they are at the economic and political top of the worldwide exploitation system. And their enslavement is longer ago.
>constantly bitching about it or asking reparations to the people living on land on which the slavers lived hundreds of years ago.
In the Barbary slave trade Europeans were abducted by pirates. Is that comparable to ravaging a continent your subjects live on? Taking them to a new world where they are powerless and will continue to live there when slavery is over, but still live under the material effects of both slavery and racial segregation? You are making the same fallacy of presenting those events as historically isolated. They have long lasting material effects. Plus this isn't just about slavery. The race massacres, racial segregation, the general mistreatment, the war on drugs, redlining. All of that is not that long ago and taking that into consideration it is no surprise that black people are "bitching" about it. Especially when living in a country that doesn't even properly teach that history in schools and delivers a white washed version instead.
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 No.325422

>>325398
Corporate boards of directors and banking interests are not a fucking hivemind you idiot, it's like saying the feudal houses of Europe were always in cahoots. Sometimes they are, sometimes they aren't. Plus, those handful of corporations that comprise the entertainment industry are always trying to one-up each other in terms of novel content. Since there is a dearth of actual novel content, one avenue they resort to is identity politics and shoe horning in socially progressive nonsense where there doesn't need to be, to help deflect criticism from poorly made programs.

What you don't grasp yet is that the liberal ruling class is more powerful than previous ruling classes in their ability to coopt and reification of social issues into itself. Just think of all of the anti-capitalist stuff being marketed to you as we speak, you can hop onto Youtube and generate ad revenue for someone who just made a "Why Advertising Is Bad" video. Or some other anon posted here about some "anti-woke anti-SJW soap" free of woke chemicals. Your super angry opposition to liberal idpol doesn't do anything against capitalism itself, especially when you end up more angry at the ethnic minority in the idpol than the company that abuses idpol. In fact that's probably part of the program.
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 No.325424

>>325422
They've brainwashed you so successfully that you actually believe their ideology originated from you and not from them.

>tee hee hee, sowwy leftists we're borrowing your LGBT and BLM stuff because it's so hot right now. – Signed: Porky
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 No.325425

>>325422
>than the company that abuses idpol

They're not "abusing" idpol. They invented the whole thing from scratch.
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 No.325433

>>325424
>>325425
None of that has to do with corporate meeting rooms until at least a few years or decades down the line. Those issues have real material causes in the form of repression and neglect culminating in Stonewall riots, suppression of AIDS crisis, or austerity-racked cities relying on police departments to shake down black populations for cash. These are all tied to the decaying of an America that is unable to provide public services to its citizens and is beholden to corporations especially in the post-70's era.
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 No.325437

>>325414
Then why would Europeans ask for reparations?
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 No.325440

>>325433
>culminating in Stonewall riots, suppression of AIDS crisis

None of that gay shit has anything to do with the working class.
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 No.325442

>>325375
>you or /pol/
Judging by incoherent arguments in the thread it is just /pol/ trying to twist their brain into making a leftist sounding reason for us to join in fighting their new shiny windmill.
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 No.325445

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I'm glad to see this shitstorm is still going. I've gladly contributed to the shitposting and, I honestly thought the adults would take over at some point with nuanced explanations… but that hasn't happened.
So now I'm going to do the obvious and quote the book in OP's picture. Pdf included.

Critical race theory : an introduction / Richard Delgado and Jean Stefancic
>Richard Delgado is John J. Sparkman Chair of Law at the University of Alabama and one of the founders of critical race theory. His books include The Latino/a Condition: A Critical Reader (co-edited with Jean Stefancic; New York University Press) and The Rodrigo Chronicles (New York University Press).

>Jean Stefancic is Professor and Clement Research Affiliate at the University of Alabama School of Law. Her books include No Mercy: How Conservative Think Tanks and Foundations Changed America’s Social Agenda and How Lawyers Lose Their Way: A Profession Fails Its Creative Minds.


<INTRODUCTION


Think of events that can occur in an ordinary day. A child raises her hand repeatedly in a
fourth-grade class; the teacher either recognizes her or does not. A shopper hands a cashier
a five-dollar bill to pay for a small item; the clerk either smiles, makes small talk, and
deposits change in the shopper’s hand or does not. A woman goes to a new-car lot ready to
buy; salespeople stand about talking to each other or all converge trying to help her. A
jogger in a park gives a brief acknowledgment to an approaching walker; the walker returns
the greeting or walks by silently.

You are a white person—the child, the shopper, the jogger. The responses are all from
white people and are all negative. Are you annoyed? Do you, for even a moment, think that
maybe you are receiving this treatment because of your race? Or might you think that all
these people are merely having a bad day? Next suppose that the responses are from people
of color. Are you thrown off guard? Angry? Depressed?
You are a person of color and these same things happen to you, and the actors are all
white. What is the first thing that comes to your mind? Do you immediately think that you
might be treated in these ways because you are not white? If so, how do you feel? Angry?
Downcast? Do you let it roll off your back? And if the responses come from fellow people of
color, then what do you think? Suppose the person of color is from a group other than your
own?

Sometimes actions like these stem from mere rudeness or indifference. The merchant is in
a hurry; the walker, lost in thought. But at other times, race seems to play a part. When it
does, social scientists call the event a “microaggression,” by which they mean one of those
many sudden, stunning, or dispiriting transactions that mar the days of women and folks of
color. Like water dripping on sandstone, they can be thought of as small acts of racism,
consciously or unconsciously perpetrated, welling up from the assumptions about racial
matters most of us absorb from the cultural heritage in which we come of age in the United
States. These assumptions, in turn, continue to inform our public civic institutions—
government, schools, churches—and our private, personal, and corporate lives.
Sometimes the acts are not micro at all. Imagine that the woman or minority standing
alone and ignored at the car lot eventually attracts the attention of a salesperson. They
negotiate, and she buys a car. Later she learns that she paid almost a thousand dollars more
than what the average white male pays for that same car. (See Ian Ayres, Fair Driving, 104
Harv. L. Rev. 817 [1991]; Michael Luo, “Whitening” the Résumé, N.Y. Times, Dec. 5, 2009.)
A fourth-grade teacher, shortly before beginning a unit on world cultures, passes out a form
asking the children to fill out where their parents “are from.” The bright child who raised
her hand earlier hesitates, knowing that her parents are undocumented entrants who fear
being discovered and deported.

<WHAT IS CRITICAL RACE THEORY

The critical race theory (CRT) movement is a collection of activists and scholars engaged in
studying and transforming the relationship among race, racism, and power. The movement
considers many of the same issues that conventional civil rights and ethnic studies discourses
take up but places them in a broader perspective that includes economics, history, setting,
group and self-interest, and emotions and the unconscious. Unlike traditional civil rights
discourse, which stresses incrementalism and step-by-step progress, critical race theory
questions the very foundations of the liberal order, including equality theory, legal reasoning,
Enlightenment rationalism, and neutral principles of constitutional law.

After the first decade, critical race theory began to splinter and now includes a well-
developed Asian American jurisprudence, a forceful Latino-critical (LatCrit) contingent, a
feisty LGBT interest group, and now a Muslim and Arab caucus. Although the groups continue
to maintain good relations under the umbrella of critical race theory, each has developed its
own body of literature and set of priorities. For example, Latino and Asian scholars study
immigration policy, as well as language rights and discrimination based on accent or national
origin. A small group of American Indian scholars addresses indigenous people’s rights,
sovereignty, and land claims. They also study historical trauma and its legacy and health
consequences, as well as Indian mascots and co-optation of Indian culture. Scholars of Middle
Eastern and South Asian background address discrimination against their groups, especially in
the aftermath of 9/11. (See, e.g., Khaled A. Beydoun, Between Indigence, Islamophobia and
Erasure: Poor and Muslim in “War on Terror” America, 105 Calif. L. Rev. ___ [2016]. On the
diffusion of critical race theory to other disciplines and nations, see chapter 7.)

<BASIC TENETS OF CRITICAL RACE THEORY

What do critical race theorists believe? Probably not every writer would subscribe to every
tenet set out in this book, but many would agree on the following propositions. First, racism is
ordinary, not aberrational—“normal science,” the usual way society does business, the
common, everyday experience of most people of color in this country. Second, most would
agree that our system of white-over-color ascendancy serves important purposes, both psychic
and material, for the dominant group. The first feature, ordinariness, means that racism is
difficult to address or cure because it is not acknowledged. Color-blind, or “formal,”
conceptions of equality, expressed in rules that insist only on treatment that is the same across
the board, can thus remedy only the most blatant forms of discrimination, such as mortgage
redlining or an immigration dragnet in a food-processing plant that targets Latino workers or
the refusal to hire a black Ph.D. rather than a white college dropout, which stand out and attract
our attention.

The second feature, sometimes called “interest convergence” or material determinism, adds
a further dimension. Because racism advances the interests of both white elites (materially)
and working-class whites (psychically), large segments of society have little incentive to
eradicate it. Consider, for example, Derrick Bell’s shocking proposal (discussed in chapter 2)
that Brown v. Board of Education—considered a great triumph of civil rights litigation—may
have resulted more from the self-interest of elite whites than from a desire to help blacks.
A third theme of critical race theory, the “social construction” thesis, holds that race and
races are products of social thought and relations. Not objective, inherent, or fixed, they
correspond to no biological or genetic reality; rather, races are categories that society invents,
manipulates, or retires when convenient. People with common origins share certain physical
traits, of course, such as skin color, physique, and hair texture. But these constitute only an
extremely small portion of their genetic endowment, are dwarfed by what we have in common,
and have little or nothing to do with distinctly human, higher-order traits, such as personality,
intelligence, and moral behavior. That society frequently chooses to ignore these scientific
truths, creates races, and endows them with pseudo-permanent characteristics is of great
interest to critical race theory.

Another, somewhat more recent, development concerns differential racialization and its
consequences. Critical writers in law, as well as in social science, have drawn attention to the
ways the dominant society racializes different minority groups at different times, in response to
shifting needs such as the labor market. At one period, for example, society may have had little
use for blacks but much need for Mexican or Japanese agricultural workers. At another time,
the Japanese, including citizens of long standing, may have been in intense disfavor and
removed to war relocation camps, while society cultivated other groups of color for jobs in
war industry or as cannon fodder on the front. In one era, Muslims are somewhat exotic
neighbors who go to mosques and pray several times of day—harmless but odd. A few years
later, they emerge as security threats.

Popular images and stereotypes of various minority groups shift over time, as well. In one
era, a group of color may be depicted as happy-go-lucky, simpleminded, and content to serve
white folks. A little later, when conditions change, that very same group may appear in
cartoons, movies, and other cultural scripts as menacing, brutish, and out of control, requiring
close supervision. In one age, Middle Eastern people are exotic, fetishized figures wearing
veils, wielding curved swords, and summoning genies from lamps. Later, after circumstances
change, they emerge as fanatical, religiously crazed terrorists bent on destroying America and
killing innocent citizens.

Closely related to differential racialization—the idea that each race has its own origins and
ever-evolving history—is the notion of intersectionality and antiessentialism. No person has a
single, easily stated, unitary identity. A white feminist may also be Jewish or working class or
a single mother. An African American activist may be male or female, gay or straight. A Latino
may be a Democrat, a Republican, or even black—perhaps because that person’s family hails
from the Caribbean. An Asian may be a recently arrived Hmong of rural background and
unfamiliar with mercantile life or a fourth-generation Chinese with a father who is a university
professor and a mother who operates a business. Everyone has potentially conflicting,
overlapping identities, loyalties, and allegiances.

A final element concerns the notion of a unique voice of color. Coexisting in somewhat
uneasy tension with antiessentialism, the voice-of-color thesis holds that because of their
different histories and experiences with oppression, black, American Indian, Asian, and Latino
writers and thinkers may be able to communicate to their white counterparts matters that the
whites are unlikely to know. Minority status, in other words, brings with it a presumed
competence to speak about race and racism. The “legal storytelling” movement urges black and
brown writers to recount their experiences with racism and the legal system and to apply their
own unique perspectives to assess law’s master narratives. This topic, too, is taken up later in
this book.

——————————————————————–

Now, this still sounds like a legitimate field of study co-opted by intersectionality and IDPOL to me.
But the point is , however, that I'm an uneducated retard so I'm hoping by providing concrete material smarter posters can provide a more informed view other than radlib screeching about teaching slavery in schools.
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 No.325446

>>325440
why do you believe this?
>if they gay then they no prole
>if they prole then they no gay
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 No.325453

>>325440
Don't get me wrong, LGBTQ shit has a clear element of class collaboration but you're the dudes who said this was all made up by Porky from the very beginning when it's clear it's not. Making up some conspiratard bullshit where there doesn't need to be is some faggot shit.
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 No.325464

>>325445
>microaggression
If you want to improve the daily interactions, society has to forget about race. The more you remind people of their differences the more "microaggressive" society becomes.
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 No.325468

>>325424
>tee hee hee, sowwy leftists we're borrowing your LGBT and BLM stuff because it's so hot right now. – Signed: Porky
That is quite literally what they do and have done historically for the vast majority of things.
>>325440
How does it have nothing to do with class? Are you rejecting that such things mainly affected proles who happend to be gay, or that the Stonewall riots didn't have any class element to it? I don't think you understand what idpol means.
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 No.325491

>>325445
>Now, this still sounds like a legitimate field of study co-opted by intersectionality and IDPOL to me.
This sounds like irrelevant field of study you only hear about because the republicans needed a new bogey to rally their base around (and when they say the words they just mean vague " shit I don't like in general" by it, and not the actual theory.)
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 No.325514

>>325464
That‘s an unrealistic approach. First, you can tell with your eyes immediately that someone else is part of a different demographic. You could have subconscious bias or you might be ignorant and therefore engage in harmful behavior. Second, ordinary people (in the West) already tried for a long time the approach of ignoring race as a solution to racism and yet still people not part of the dominant demographic grow up making numerous racist experiences. So clearly that can‘t be the solution. We live in a society where based on your identity you tend to make certain experiences because you are born in circumstances that are common for you demographic and you are treated a certain way because of your identity. This leads to a clustering of common experiences among the same or similar identities. These disparities simply don‘t go unnoticed, which shapes people’s worldview of other demographics. And this societal structure, as long as it exists, will be the source of people growing up to believe certain things or behave a certain way regarding other groups. Of course these identities are not eternal or essential, but merely social constructs that resulted from history, which in turn was shaped by the large currents of material conditions. But the suggestion to ignore race will not solve shit like microaggressions. People like you will make that suggestion and other naïve people will agree, but it will simply still exist, because saying „just ignore it“ doesn‘t change anything. The subject has to be directly addressed anyways.
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 No.325522

>>325468
>we're borrowing your LGBT and BLM stuff because it's so hot right now. – Signed: Porky
They made this stuff popular in the first place. "Borrowing" is absolute cope and you are a useful idiot

– signed: pol
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 No.325537

>>325522
>They made this stuff popular in the first place. "Borrowing" is absolute cope and you are a useful idiot
How? I don't think the bourgeoisie can very well invent "gay". Did they invent straight laced anglo protestant families when thats what they catered to? The modus operandi of the bourgeoisie has always been to take preexisting concepts or cultures and repurpose them towards capitalist logic.
>– signed: pol
Lol, and you have the gall to call us the useful idiots? The retards who have happily gotten on the useful idiot merry go round over and over again with little to no signs of stopping?
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 No.325549

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Pee pee poo poo have a sage.
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 No.325552

>>325514
>That‘s an unrealistic approach.
In a class society capitalists will pay people to find out how they can divide society against itself. When ever you hear people talk about the proletariat as if they don't have a common enemy in the ruling class, that's people being bribed. You might be correct that within capitalist society it might be unrealistic to completely overcome racism, and this contradiction can only be resolved completely in socialism. The absence of a ruling class whose interests are in riling people up with racial division, might be crucial.

You should still fight against racism by reminding people about what they share in common every chance you get. Put your mental effort into figuring out many little ways to make people see past race, even if it's just for a blink of an eye. If enough people do that it will add up and the dreaded race identities will become less important to people.
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 No.325553

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>>325537
>How?
-Employs "journalists" that write about it daily in a positive light
-Donates money and vocal support
-Banns / fires opposition
-Lobbies for politicans and judges to rule in it's favor regardless of popularity
>you have the gall to call us the useful idiots
that's objectively what you are
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 No.325560

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I'd also like to point out that Chapo Trap House has just put out an episode which addresses the CRT media drama. Spoilers below:
They agree it's both liberal theology around atoning for racism as an original sin and a distraction from class politics and mass organization as-well as a convenient punchingbag for rightoids to keep the narrative on race, though expect apologetics to ease the radlib audience into it and a frankly embarrasing starting segment where the guest struggles to define CRT

Also, while I get some posters complain about CTH (though it's mostly the fanbase, on hexbear now) save yourselves the criticism, It's clear most posts in the thread have not in any way looked up what CRT is and are working exclusively with reaction to rightoid talking points and social media posts.

I did not see anything about copyright in the rules so feel free to remove it. (it's a premium episode, not that they ever object to sharing them, but still). I tried attaching but it seems it wont work, perhaps too big of a file , oh well.

The link is from the BlackWolfFeed subreddit:
https://c10.patreonusercontent.com/3/eyJhIjoxLCJwIjoxfQ%3D%3D/patreon-media/p/post/52636326/5487b554f3014815a49415d486c1440a/1.mp3?token-time=2145916800&token-hash=OuFDEzNIVqKOmkqljPFxey16LN0bp4fIe97EK59_e3M%3D

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 No.325565

>>325553
>Employs "journalists" that write about it daily in a positive light
Again, doesn't invent gays existing. It just appeals to existing demographics.
>Donates money and vocal support
Sure, because the PR works.
>Banns / fires opposition
Yes, because someone talking about how the blacks need to be rounded up and removed isn't exactly good for business in today's society.
>Lobbies for politicans and judges to rule in it's favor regardless of popularity
There were capitalists who lobbied against it as well.
>that's objectively what you are
Anon, I'm not the one who supports bourgeoisie government and happily laps up propaganda about other countries while the government employs the help of far-right militas to overthrow democratically elected leftist governments.
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 No.325579

>>325553
I wonder what graphs like these would look like if they measured crime from one wealth bracket to another.
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 No.325597

>>325565
>It just appeals to existing demographics
The vast majority of people don't support it at the start. Then after about 10 years of continuous propaganda people gradually budge. See gay marriage.
>because the PR works
They could just stay apolitical and not get any flack whatsoever. The reason they don't is because they want to exert social control.
>Yes, because someone talking about how the blacks need to be rounded up and removed
<corporations only ban you if you say MEAN THINGS and are actually FREE SPEECH ABSOLUTISTS!
cucked bootlicker
>I'm not the one who supports bourgeoisie government and happily laps up propaganda
That's literally all you are and do.
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 No.325625

The problem is that we have liberals using the idpol as a front to push destructive race relations to such a point that white proles are just going to have a bad reaction to something that actually needs to be taught in a different way.

Conservatives today are just ignorant and reactionary as fuck but I don't blame them for not passing CRT entirely. Too many black Americans keep tying their legislation victories to the liberal agenda. Of course most crackers don't wanna know they benefit from colonization and slavery to an certain exist but at the end of the day? Most of these white proles aren't doing any better than the "uyghurs" they see on local news "causing trouble". So they just think blacks and other non whites are ruining Americans. Sometimes if they do start looking at the trail of money? "Da jooz!!!!" But I'm not saying anything new. Just more confirmation of idpol causing problems. However I needed to beat a dead horse today.

This week instead of real legislation to stop law enforcement agencies from shooting us (that means everyone, not just blacks) without consequences they made Juneteenth Day a fucking national holiday while singing the black liberal national anthem. Law Enforcement has new tactics where they can kill without having bodycams legally as long as they have certain national law enforcement agencies involved like the US Marshals. Cops always got new tricks.

Malcolm X was so fucking right.

2Pac was confirmation that there's really no changes.

As for the race theory itself. It needs to be obviously taught differently but I don't know if I personally care about it being part of the national curriculum in it's current form. Conservatives want to Jim Crow me. Liberals want to gentrify me. It's a living hell in America and I didn't leave the country before covid-19.

Fuck.
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 No.325632

>>325597
>The vast majority of people don't support it at the start. Then after about 10 years of continuous propaganda people gradually budge. See gay marriage
And as a result, a new demographic to sell to is gained, with people who want to be sold a "moral product" feeling appeased by it.
>They could just stay apolitical and not get any flack whatsoever. The reason they don't is because they want to exert social control.
Capitalists don't pursue already established profits, they pursue potential profits. Every gimmick and appeal is open to them if it has the potential of growing profit margins, especially with the rate of profit being as low as it is.
>cucked bootlicker
I'm not "defending" it you fag, stating a fact isn't me participating it directly. I have no control over what the borugeoisie do. But its a simple reality that taking about how the blacks need to be taken care of is not good for sales or image.
>That's literally all you are and do.
You literally support capitalism you retarded faggot and have historically been it's lap dogs in fighting communists. You're a useful idiot who buys into the false dichotomy created by the bourgeoisie in the realm of the culture surrounding it's products rather then addressing the system itself. All you pay attention to is "mass produced capitalist commodity" vs "mass produced capitalist commodity, but with a rainbow". You don't actually care for what exists behind these things, you only care about the shape it takes. It's not about the substance, but the form for you idiots.
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 No.325633

>>325632
*talking
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 No.325646

I’m really excited to hear nonstop about this boogeyman for the next 4 years.
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 No.325651

>>325632
>And as a result, a new demographic to sell to is gained
The total amount of people remains the same and often social issues have zero overlap with the products corps sell. You gain nothing with the potential to alienate the majority. I also doubt you can find a significant amount of people that say to themselves "i bought this car because BMW showed me a interracial couple"
>its a simple reality that taking about how the blacks need to be taken care of is not good for sales
You are a cucked bootlicker because you pretend those are the only people being banned.
>You literally support capitalism you retarded faggot and have historically been it's lap dogs in fighting communists
The USSR could have never won without lend lease. You are porkies lapdog through and through.
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 No.325684

The new board migrants should be expelled.
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 No.325685

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>>325651
>The total amount of people remains the same and often social issues have zero overlap with the products corps sell. You gain nothing with the potential to alienate the majority. I also doubt you can find a significant amount of people that say to themselves "i bought this car because BMW showed me a interracial couple"
The total amount of people doens't remain the same, because certain demographics were alienated from your products to being with. By making a demographic appeal, you can edge your way into what was before an unexplored market for you. Social issues have overlap with the products people sell all the time, and to deny this goes against your intial argument entirely. And again, it's not about established profits, it's about potential profits and the possibility of showing yourself to be "morally" superior to your competition, just like with "farm grown" and "carbon neutral".
>You are a cucked bootlicker because you pretend those are the only people being banned.
No, I don't. My statement related to platforms sanitizing themselves in order to gain the most widespread appeal. For example, gays can be on a platform, but in the same homogenous cookie cutter space allocations as everything else.
>The USSR could have never won without lend lease. You are porkies lapdog through and through.
Lend lease made up less then 4% of Soviet wartime production you pseud. Stop getting your information from 5 minute youtube clickbait videos. Fascists have historically always been porkies lapdogs, who have only ever been put down when their aspirations caused them to bite more then they could chew. In the case of WW2, it was Nazi imperialist interests coming in conflict with the wests. The west was actually ratehe lenient up until that point, refusing to assist the USSR in opposing Germany from taking Czechoslovakia and actively trying to get Germany and the USSR to fight each other, with every actual intervention against Germany being stalled and foreign investment being permitted to go through until the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact was signed and caused Britain and France to go into panic mode regarding Germany. Before then, they had little issue with Gemrnay taking what it needed, because the assumption was that it would soon go to war with the USSR.
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 No.325698

>>325685
>certain demographics were alienated from your products to being with
Totally made up. There is no large scale demographic categorically refuses to buy your product if you simply remain apolitical.
>it's about potential profits and the possibility of showing yourself to be "morally" superior to your competition
Their "morality" only ever goes one way regardless of it's actual popularity in favor of progressivism.
>platforms sanitizing themselves in order to gain the most widespread appeal
We are talking about companies like twitter almost banning half of their entire userbase simply because they are conservative. Keep making excuses for porky restricting free speech like the cuck you are.
>Lend lease made up less then 4% of Soviet wartime production you pseud.
And also provived massive amounts of raw materials. Tell me how exactly we are the lapdogs when the fucking porky hegemon sided with YOU instead AGAINST us. Tell me why you aren't banned from any platform ever. Tell me how you cope with being a dog?
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 No.325747

>>325698
>Totally made up. There is no large scale demographic categorically refuses to buy your product if you simply remain apolitical.
They aren't trying to just be a secondary product that is sometimes picked up on occasion, that are trying to be THE product the demographic should buy. For example, blacks are one of the fastest growing consumer demographics in the US due to new found generational wealth and established finances. They are also some of the most brand loyal in terms of what they buy. Thus, a lot of companies try to play up to blacks to try and corner the this influx of consumers.
>Their "morality" only ever goes one way regardless of it's actual popularity in favor of progressivism.
Proof? Because companies are more then happy to present themselves differently in different areas of the world to sell their products.
>We are talking about companies like twitter almost banning half of their entire userbase simply because they are conservative. Keep making excuses for porky restricting free speech like the cuck you are.
Twitter didn't ban half of it's consumer base because they were conservative you hysterical faggot. I don't even use Twitter, but I can go on there right now and find plenty of conservatives using the site. I'm not making excuses, I'm stating how things are. Also, "free speech" doesn't consiqunetially exist regardless, so don't try and play that card like it's anything meaningful. No political ideology or system actually supports true free speech when the card are on the table, it's a myth in terms of practical politics. Not defending the bourgeoisie here, just stating how things are.
>And also provived massive amounts of raw materials. Tell me how exactly we are the lapdogs when the fucking porky hegemon sided with YOU instead AGAINST us. Tell me why you aren't banned from any platform ever. Tell me how you cope with being a dog?
They provided a marginal amount of raw materials, and the raw materials that arrived did so late into the war after the Britain's demands were fulfilled first, of which time the Soviets were already pushing the offensive and didn't need them anymore. They didn't side with the USSR if you remember your history you fag, they got involved against Germany after the pact was signed because Germany made it clear that it was not going to fight against the USSR (at the time). Then while fighting against the allies, Germany invaded the USSR, which pulled the USSR against Germany. The allies didn't jump into the war after Germany invaded the USSR you cretin. And communists are banned and suppressed from platforms literally all the time, you just never hear about it because neither social liberals or liberal conservatives make a fuss about it.
https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2020/11/04/goog-n04.html
Tell me, how do you cope with the US backing fascist after fascist after WW2 in opposition to communists globally, and continue to do to this day? How do you cope with Israel being the dominant supporter of the far-right in Europe and collaborating with fascist and neo-nazi groups to this day?
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2020/1/2/israel-a-model-for-the-far-right
https://forward.com/news/462815/how-germanys-far-right-party-is-luring-jewish-voters-in-this-years/
https://thegrayzone.com/2018/07/10/ukraine-embassy-israel-arming-nazis-max-blumenthal/
https://www.aljazeera.com/opinions/2018/7/17/an-unlikely-union-israel-and-the-european-far-right
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 No.325748

>>325747
*consequentially
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 No.325758

>>325685
That chart is a bit deceptive, I mean wasn't the greatest lend lease item trucks and motorised vehicles? Not tanks or trains - on top of that, plenty of resources like oil and so on. It's not really fair to only cherrypick these three categories (though obviously it's silly to say America singlehandedly won the war in the east)
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 No.325787

>>325758
>That chart is a bit deceptive, I mean wasn't the greatest lend lease item trucks and motorised vehicles? Not tanks or trains - on top of that, plenty of resources like oil and so on. It's not really fair to only cherrypick these three categories (though obviously it's silly to say America singlehandedly won the war in the east)
Trucks and moterized vehicles aren't what won the war. They streamlined the transportation of certain field supplies and industry materials later on in the war, but they weren't the make or break factor of the war. The Soviets were still doing fine with oil throughout the war as well, and in fact the allies had a plan to bomb their oil fields if it appeared like the Germans would take it (as opposed to opening an second front themselves and just preventing the Germans from ever taking it in the first place). The only resource you could say was marginally useful was high octane avgas because it could be converted to lower octane avgas which the Soviets used, but the Soviets already had plenty of low octane avgas throughout the war.
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 No.325789

>>325787
Tanks and planes are useless without chains of supply. The Germans learned that lesson. So yes, American trucks were definitely helpful.
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 No.325801

>>325747
>they just pander to us because of marketing
>they just donate money to fool us
>they just ban you because you are genocidal
>they just try to create new demographics by showing us interracial homosex
>they just supported us with a little bit of supplies
>they just let us teach milktoast marxism at universities – not the real deal!
<BUT YOU ARE THE REAL LAPDOG

Nothing but projection from a cucked bootlicker.
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 No.325815

>>325560
I found it interesting where they discuss how the right is fighting the battle on the liberal's terms. Ted Cruz released a statement today: CRT is more racist than the Klan!

MLK said we're all the same. This type of thing. They're fighting a rearguard battle. No innovation. No real ideology. Just pure cultural emotion. And this is perfect because CRT as popularly presented is itself a cultural attack: let's start history at 1619 and narrow our focus to one area.
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 No.325824

>>325789
>Tanks and planes are useless without chains of supply. The Germans learned that lesson. So yes, American trucks were definitely helpful
The Soviets already had chains of supply. Lend lease assisted, but not to the extent it's made out to be. The Soviets would have won the war regardless, albiet a few months later.
>>325801
>they just pander to us because of marketing
Where are they pandering to communists again?
>they just donate money to fool us
Where do they do this to communists again?
>they just ban you because you are genocidal
Yes, because thats not conducive to western markets.
>they just try to create new demographics by showing us interracial homosex
They aren't creating demographics, they are appealing to untapped ones by trying to appear inclusive.
>they just supported us with a little bit of supplies
They did, after refusing to fight the Germans until the last minute and rejecting to open a second front. Compare this with the massive foreign investment the German received prior to the war.
>they just let us teach milktoast marxism at universities – not the real deal!
Where do they teach Marxism as a major course at all? To quote Zizek "Where are the marxists?"
>BUT YOU ARE THE REAL LAPDOG
But you historically have been. You didn't actually refute the points I brought up, you just dodged them and refused to address them.
>Nothing but projection from a cucked bootlicker.
If you have to keep bringing up projection without any basis to it, you're likely the one projecting, Zionist boot throttler.
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 No.325825

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>220 replies
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 No.325829

>>325801
>ignores everything that anon said then starts screechng about imaginary situations
cope
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 No.325847

>>325824
>Where are they pandering to communists again?
Implicit support by not banning you, explicit support for BLM, interracial homosex, or wealth inequality, releasing antifa terrorists on bail, etc.
>Yes, because thats not conducive to western markets.
i.e "porky believes in free speech because he only bans you if you're RUDE for OPTICS"
>they are appealing to untapped ones
They were untapped 50 years ago. Not today.
>after refusing to fight the Germans until the last minute
"Sure our self-proclaimed arch-nemesis sided with us, gave us ressources and fought side by side with us…but they waited until the last minute (i.e half a decade)".
>Compare this with the massive foreign investment the German received prior to the war
With the intent to bribe Hitler. Didn't work out because he had principles. Meanwhile you have Stalin over here admitting that he would have lost the war without US assisstance
>Where do they teach Marxism as a major course at all?
<THEY DON'T TEACH MARXISM AS AN OFFICAL COURSE IT'S JUST THAT THE PROFESSORS ARE MARXISTS THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE THE SYSTEM REEEEEEEEEE

The biggest problem leftists have is their need to simultaneously see themselves as resistance while being supported by every power structure in the west since 1940. Cope and delusion is your only solution.
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 No.325868

>>325847
how does every power structure in "the west" support the left outside of Girlboss CEOs and woke posturing?
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 No.325897

>>325847
>The biggest problem leftists have is their need to simultaneously see themselves as resistance while being supported by every power structure in the west since 1940.
Ever heard of the Cold War (Vietnam, Korea, Cuba, Chile, Nicaragua, Angola, Indonesia, Iran, etc), McCarthyism, feds suppressing and murdering the Black Panthers until they became a non-entity, the West siccing post-war Nazis on European leftists, the domination of capitalist cultural hegemony, etc?
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 No.325942

>>325847
>Implicit support by not banning you, explicit support for BLM, interracial homosex, or wealth inequality, releasing antifa terrorists on bail, etc.
But communists are banned and suppressed internationally. Nothing you mentioned had anything to do with communists either, and many antifa protesters haven't been released on bail, with thsoe that have just mirroring the number of right wing protesters.
>i.e "porky believes in free speech because he only bans you if you're RUDE for OPTICS"
Never said any porky actually believed in free speech. Consequentially, nobody actually does. And they do ban because of business.
>They were untapped 50 years ago. Not today.
Then I think you misunderstand how capitalists operate. They will scrape the bottom of the barrel until literally nothing can no longer be scrapped, and then move on. The markets we are discussing haven't been freely open for at least a decade.
>"Sure our self-proclaimed arch-nemesis sided with us, gave us ressources and fought side by side with us…but they waited until the last minute (i.e half a decade)".
But they didn't side with the USSR. They fought against Germany, with the USSR getting dragged in by the Nazis own actions. They didn't fight side by side, with the west refusing to open a second front, and the resources provided were marginal, and not at all free. They stalled until Germany made it impossible not to do so.
>With the intent to bribe Hitler. Didn't work out because he had principles. Meanwhile you have Stalin over here admitting that he would have lost the war without US assisstance
So let me get this straight, when Hitler receives massive foreign investment prior to the war that permits him to finance build up in the first place, it's simply the allies trying to bribe him, with Hitler on "principle" turning his back on them. But when the Soviets in a state of war accept a marginal amount of supplies that fail to make the difference between success and defeat, it's the USSR being lapdogs, all because Stalin gave a platitude as people do during war.
>THEY DON'T TEACH MARXISM AS AN OFFICAL COURSE IT'S JUST THAT THE PROFESSORS ARE MARXISTS THAT DOESN'T MEAN WE ARE THE SYSTEM REEEEEEEEEE
Where are the Marxists?
>The biggest problem leftists have is their need to simultaneously see themselves as resistance while being supported by every power structure in the west since 1940. Cope and delusion is your only solution
When has this ever been the case, especially after 1940? Post-1940 had the west engage in Operation Gladio and supporting fascists throughout Europe and South America to combat rising communist movements. It's seems like you have to cope by trying to delete this from your brain or willfully ignoring it.
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 No.326089

>>325579
Plot twist: the exact same thing (check it out)
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 No.326092

>>325868
>how does every power structure in "the west" support the left outside of Girlboss CEOs and woke posturing?

They don't support the left, but they support the "left". Surely you understand that?
The issue we have on this board is that many people who bought that "left" ideology think they're actually part of the left.
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 No.326098

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>corporations don't support us nationalists bro
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 No.326099

>>325847
That's because you are a retard who does not understand what you are talking about

The left doesn't want to genocide people based on race, the left wants to advance society into the next stage.
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 No.326225

>>325560
"hey wheres virgil"
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 No.326252

>>325942
>communists are banned and suppressed internationally
<admitting they are treated well in the US
>they do ban because of business.
<admitting leftists aren't a threat to buisness
>They will scrape the bottom of the barrel until literally nothing can no longer be scrapped
<except conservatives
>US didn't side with the USSR
>Stalin gave a platitude
<literally delusional
>>326099
>The left doesn't want to genocide people based on race, the left wants to advance society into the next stage.
You are just a foot soldier for the status quo. Only reason you haven't been banned like true dissidents are.
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 No.326260

>>326252
No, that's you

As an American, you can enter the army and get paid for engaging in American imperialism, the government supports you and you support them

Retard
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 No.326271

>>326260
>no u
Pathetic. Why aren't leftists banned?
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 No.326272

>>326252
>true dissidents
cute faggot
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 No.326276

>>326098
I literally have no idea what your images are supposed to show.

Global mega-corporations absolutely despise nationalism because it's an obvious threat to the (global) liquidity of their capital.
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 No.326279

>>326271
Because we do not want to genocide people based on race, we want to advance society into the next stage

Now answer my question, smooth brain, if you aren't the status quo, how come the American government supports your anti-communist sentiments. If you can literally get paid for wrecking havoc on left-leaning nations, how can you say you aren't a literal foot soldier.

>>326276
You are a smoothbrain
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 No.326280

>>326271
Because they don’t presently make up a threat to the order of things, after the demise of world communism in the 1990s. You don’t need to look very far back in history to see almost historically unique repression of communists. Meanwhile historically you people have been little more than the footsoldiers of reaction capitalists used to cut down organized labor.
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 No.326285

>>326279
>Because we do not want to genocide people
<capitalists only ban you if you incite genocide and it just so happens that every single conservative does exactly that!
how is that cope going?
>you can literally get paid for wrecking havoc on left-leaning nations
You mean neighbours of Isreal or guarding the fence around the capitol? No thanks.
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 No.326288

>>326285
You are so fucking stupid it hurts to read your posts, this is usually what happens when arguing with an amerimutt, but you are on a whole new level of retardation

It is not my problem you got banned from Twitter for dogwhistling genocide, it is your problem, TheDongNoticer

>You mean neighbours of Isreal

Oh boy, this retard somehow forgot that the US is actively engaging in campaigns against left-leaning countries in LatAm and Asia. Only an Amerimutt could be this ignorant about his own government.
It doesn't matter if you support Israel, or not, the point is that your government will pay you money to sabotage left-leaning countries, YOU are the literal foot soldier of capital, braindead moron

>or guarding the fence around the capitol?

Drumpf mismanaged Porky's economy and the US couped themselves as a result, you can possibly be so stupid you believe Biden is a com-
Oh wait, yes you are
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 No.326292

>>326288
You are so fucking desperate for cope that you have to unironically believe every banned conservative incites genocide.
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 No.326295

>>326292
Stop pretending YOU aren't a Nazi

Several conservatives are allowed on Twitter and other social networks, stop lying. Conservatives do not get banned on sight.
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 No.326297

>>326295
>Conservatives do not get banned on sight
<not ALL of them have yet been banned! W-what about the controlled opposition that remains?
Why aren't leftists banned? Why does the system not see you as a threat?
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 No.326298

Would you fucking cunts stop feeding the fucking trolls?

This thread is such garbage, holy shit. Unfunny garbage.
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 No.326299

>>326297
I already answered your question two times, moron, are you fucking stupid?
When are you going to address my points? Or are you also too stupid to do so.
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 No.326301

>>326299
>don't answer the question
>"I ANSWERED THE QUESTION"
>ignore
c o p e
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 No.326302

>>326301
>"Why don't leftists get banned?"
<Because we do not post discourse which is against the rules
>ANSWER MY QUESTION

ameriburger-tier
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 No.326303

>>326302
>Because we do not post discourse which is against the rules
t. leftists """revolutionary"""
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 No.326305

>>326303
Our revolution is distinct to your revolution, you advocate for the genocide of people based on race to return to the past, we want to move forward into the next stage of human development

Retard
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 No.326307

>>326305
>he keeps insisting all conservatives incite genocide
>he thinks porky doesn't bend the rules to ban all true dissidents at his whims
>he is allowed to say whatever the fuck he wants – refuses to see the problem
c o p e
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 No.326310

>>326295
>
Several conservatives are allowed on Twitter

AHAHAHAHA
So that's the standard. Not just one, but in fact SEVERAL conservatives are graciously allowed on Twitter.
Oh wow, thanks for this generosity Porky.
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 No.326312

>>326252
>admitting they are treated well in the US
Where did I admit this? You do know what internationally means, right? Or is burgerland not a part of the world for you and exists above it?
>admitting leftists aren't a threat to buisness
Where did I state this as well? I simply stated that far right rhetoric is generally not conducive to running a capitalist business in the current modern economy. There is a difference between "not being suited when trying to sell in polite society" and "being a threat". Baby eating isn't suited for polite society and won't get you very many sales, but it also isn't very much a threat to the system itself.
>except conservatives
They already scrapped the bottom of the barrel with conservatives. That's practically what the last century was. Now traditional conservatives are an established demographic that just consumes regardless of controversy (or sometimes even consumes more in response to it). It's already existant profit, not new profit.
>literally delusional
How is it delusional? Explain how what I stated was incorrect?
>You are just a foot soldier for the status quo. Only reason you haven't been banned like true dissidents are
This doesn't follow and isn't supported by anything, and also isn't a reason to adopt far-right ideology. If my enemies preferred, for example, to drink drink dirty water, I would not drink dirty water to spite him.
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 No.326313

>>326303
>what is opsec
Communists have learned bloody lessons from history and have adapted. Perhaps you should take a page from their book, then maybe next you won’t wander into the federal capitol filming yourself committing felonies and uploading it to social media.
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 No.326315

>>326307
>he thinks porky doesn't bend the rules to ban all true dissidents at his whims
Where is porky bending the rules to the whims of communists?
>he is allowed to say whatever the fuck he wants – refuses to see the problem
Where are communists allowed to say whatever the fuck they want to a degree greater then the far-right. As long as either party isn't explicitly calling for killings to take place, you can find people who identify as far-right all over the place on Twitter.
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 No.326316

>>326307
Why do you care if all conservatives, including the ones who do not advocate for genocide, get banned, aren't those "controlled opposition"?

It doesn't matter if there is a pool of conservatives that don't advocate for genocide, because those do not get banned on social networks

>he thinks porky doesn't bend the rules to ban all true dissidents at his whims

You aren't a dissident since the US government will pay and support your anti-communist actions, retard

>he is allowed to say whatever the fuck he wants – refuses to see the problem

There isn't a problem with Nazis who advocate for genocide getting banned, maybe you shouldn't be a literal Nazi
>B-but other conservatives!
Again, they are controlled opposition so why do you care lmao

Americans truly are fucking stupid lmao
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 No.326318

>>326310
Maybe do not advocate for the genocide of people on a privately managed social network next time, retard
>If I get banned I am the opposition
Child pornography is banned on Twitter, guess pedos are the real revolutionaries
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 No.326319

>>326285
>You mean neighbours of Isreal or guarding the fence around the capitol? No thanks.
So you admit to being a prostitute for Israel then?
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 No.326324

I think it has become completely useless to talk about left or right, because the well has been completely poisoned.

I like the concept from economics of "revealed preferences". There is some theoretical bullshit explanation, but the simple version is that how people *behave* is more telling than what they say, to know their true beliefs.
Simple theory, right? This is quite common. You might say, "oh, I really don't drink too much", but your statement does not matter in the slightest. What actually matters is how much you actually drink.

So you can see that with your typical white liberals, for example. It's BLM, but they move into white neighborhoods and white schools.

Well, there is the same thing with the "left". I don't care if your twitter bio says that you are a "Marxist warrior" or some shit like that, if you're actually a journalist working for a newspaper owned by (((porky))) and pushing for all the bullshit ideologies that serve porkies interests. I will just call you a shill, because that is what you effectively are.

I'm not even saying it's wrong to be a shill. Whatever floats your boat. But don't pretend to be a leftist when you constantly write articles that:
1. Endorse all the ideologies coming from the bourgeoisie
2. Constantly shit on the working class
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 No.326326

>>326318
>Maybe do not advocate for the genocide of people on a privately managed social network next time, retard

Woke Capital just got banned. He never advocated for genocide, he just mocked the woke-ism of your corporate friends.
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 No.326329

>>326312
Why aren't leftists banned?
>>326315
>Where are communists allowed to say whatever the fuck they want to a degree greater then the far-right.
go on reddit and search for "marxism" and then for "fascism"
>>326316
>why do you care that you're banned?
kekl.
>Nazis who advocate for genocide getting banned
We've been through this. I know it's your ONLY response so you repeat it indefinetly no matter what. Even conservatives that don't break rules are getting banned if they are dissidents. You wouldn't know because you haven't had an actual revolutionary thought for once in your life.
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 No.326330

>>326326
Not my problem lmao, we will never know what he discussed on private DM's, perhaps he did talked about something against the rules? Can you provided a link to his DM's?

>Your woke corporate friends

You mean your capitalist hedge fund friends that manage Twitter.
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 No.326331

>>326330
>private DM's, perhaps he did talked about something against the rules?
bootlicker
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 No.326332

>>326330
You are literally defending their actions, and yet you say they are *my* friends?

Are you just taking the piss, or not self-aware at all?
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 No.326333

>>326329
>A boo boo I got banned on Twitter ;_;
Not my problem lmao
We've been through this. I know it's your ONLY response so you repeat it indefinetly no matter what.
Says the brain rotten amerimutt who has yet to reply to my statement about how the American government, the status quo, will pay you to sabotage left-leaning countries

Stop stuffing your face with burgers and actually address my points before complaining about repetition.
>
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 No.326336

>>326331
Twitter should be expropriated, along with all private property in the US.

Do you agree with this statement or not?
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 No.326337

>>326333
>about how the American government, the status quo, will pay you to sabotage left-leaning countries

That's not been true since the fall of the soviet union.
Nowadays the US government is almost entirely focused on the middle east, and destroying the enemies of Israel.
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 No.326338

>>326332
You are defending their right to privately own Twitter by defending the right to private property, they are YOUR friends, not mine.
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 No.326339

>>326336
Why aren't leftists banned? Why do capitalists let you spread your ideas?
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 No.326340

>>326337
>Venezuela
>Bolivia
>North Korea
>China

>Middle east

Amerimutt education
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 No.326341

>>326339
Why does the US government pays people like you to sabotage left-leaning governments. Why do you let capitalists fight against communists?
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 No.326342

>>326341
>Why does the US government pays people like you to sabotage left-leaning governments.
im a fucking CIVILLIAN
now answer my question you coping piece of shit
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 No.326343

>>326336
>Do you agree with this statement or not?

The result would be exactly the same for us.
Instead of being censored by Senior Community Manager Stacy, we would be censored by Comrade Stacy, from the same building, with the same boss, and for the same reasons.
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 No.326345

>>326342
It doesn't matter, you can join the police and then escalate your way into the CIA, and you will get paid for sabotaging communist inside and abroad the US.

The status quo will pay you money to do such things, you aren't the opposition

>Answer my question

Already did 3 times, americuck, now answer mine, Do you support that Twitter should be privately owned?
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 No.326346

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>>326339
Libs are centrists. Communists and anarchists who express their beliefs get banned all the time.
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 No.326347

>>326343
Not my problem lmao
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 No.326349

>>326346
>Communists and anarchists who express their beliefs get banned all the time.

Give me an example.
The Communist Party USA has a twitter account, but not Donald Trump.
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 No.326350

>>326349
Lol, orange man should have read the rules then
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 No.326351

>>326343
Who is “us”? Conservatives? Are you going to pretend conservatives didn’t liberally use censorship throughout history to silence communists and all manner of people which triggered them? Am I supposed to believe you actually give a shit about censorship?
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 No.326352

>>326329
>Why aren't leftists banned?
They are. I posted an article earlier detailing so. But generally, you can still find people on the far-left and the far-right on social media, so long as they don't go drawing attention on themselves or stating anything which begins to enter the arena of what is considered "obscene".
>go on reddit and search for "marxism" and then for "fascism"
You can find fascists everywhere in the political and conspiracy subreddits, and what fascists that still do use reddit make sure to keep to them toned down. Most "marxist" reddits also know not to go the CTH route and practically ask to get removed.
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 No.326353

>>326351
I'm not American, so I'm not a member of the GOP.

I'm conservative in the traditional meaning of the word, but I'm not affiliated with any political party.

(I've picked a flair, because it looks like at least two of us are currently responding to you.)
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 No.326355

>>326351
>Are you going to pretend conservatives didn’t liberally use censorship throughout history
They don't have the power to censor anyone.
>>326352
>You can find fascists everywhere
Link one or two examples.
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 No.326356

>>326352
>
You can find fascists everywhere in the political and conspiracy subreddits

A few are probably surviving, yes, but we were mercilessly chased away from the platform.
We used to have super-based subreddits were we could openly discuss our ideas.

In the end they went as far as banning the boomers from the_donald…
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 No.326358

>>326355
>>326356
Sucks 2 suck
Read the rules next time
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 No.326359

>>326358
At the end of the day you are a bootlicker. Deep down you know this is true.
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 No.326363

>>326324
>1. Endorse all the ideologies coming from the bourgeoisie
I want to agree with this, but you should clarify. Let's say for example you're living in the transition between vehement opposition to civil rights, and civil rights being accepted. Should you oppose civil rights because it's something now "purported" by the bourgeoisie? That just seems contrarian for contrarians sake, and without any conviction or principle behind it.
>2. Constantly shit on the working class
Agreed.
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 No.326364


>>326359
Stop projecting, buddy. I support the abolition of private property, Twitter owners do not.

Now let me ask you something, Do you support the abolition of private property? If the answer is no, you are on the side of Twitter here.

Actually do answer this time instead of evading it like a little impotent gag tho
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 No.326365

>>326349
CPUSA are democratic and don't advocate for forceful or violence actions like former President Donald Trump.
Examples of anarchist groups being banned from twitter:
https://twitter.com/TheBaseBK (anarchist social center)
https://twitter.com/revabolition (modern abolitionists)
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 No.326366

>>326364
go ask that question to your antifascist they/them companions with BPD on that very same plattform
>>326365
>CPUSA are democratic and don't advocate for forceful or violence
Why should the status quo care about that? Anything that threatens him is banned regardless of actual rulebreaking.
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 No.326370

>>326364
>I support the abolition of private property

This is a completely empty threat.

"Why, yes, I regularly beat up random minorities for fun… But I actually support black people being trillionaires, so you can't call me a nazi!"
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 No.326371

>>326366
I am asking you that question, I know they support private property. I want to know if you do.

Again, Do you support private property, like Twitter owners do?
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 No.326373

>>326371
>Do you support private property, like Twitter owners do?
If the usage thereof furthers the public good.
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 No.326376

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 No.326377

>>326373
Bootlicker
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 No.326379

>>326376
>>326377
cope harder
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 No.326382

>>326379
Projecting again

You support private property, therefore you support Twitter doing whatever they want with their private property. Twitter owners are your friends, because you and them will gladly attack a communist insurrection with the aim of abolishing private property

Try being less stupid next time
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 No.326383

>>326382
Imagine reading a conditional statement dependent on "public good" and substitute it with a straight "yes". Says more about you than me, honestly.
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 No.326389

>>326383
Imagine being so stupid you believe that anon is me

Imagine being so stupid you believe your condition statement doesn't means that you still support private property

Imagine having an absolute autistic meltdown because a meme page gets banned on Twitter

Have sex and maybe you will stop white genocide
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 No.326396

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this thread be like
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 No.326398

>>326393
>Lefties never get banned
<They do
>ONLY TWO EXAMPLES

this is a cope
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 No.326399

>>326356
>A few are probably surviving, yes, but we were mercilessly chased away from the platform. We used to have super-based subreddits were we could openly discuss our ideas.
Don't go painting targets on your backs by making explicit posts stating clearly an immediate intention to remove certain people then. This isn't a purely right wing thing either, CTH got removed as well.
>In the end they went as far as banning the boomers from the_donald…
Yes, but that had to do with the board being practically a /pol/ colony and vice versa with /pol/ being a cony for it without any attempt to hide it.
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 No.326400

>>326398
Read the context of what was being responded to you idiot.
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 No.326403

>>326353
>I'm conservative in the traditional meaning of the word
Completely nonsensical theory wise if you're a communist.
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 No.326406

>>326403
I'm not a communist.
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 No.326409

>>326399
>explicit posts stating clearly an immediate intention to remove certain people
Why did woke capital got banned? Secret genocide dms?
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 No.326410

>>326406
Nonsensical regardless then unless you possess a way to permanently freeze human material and economic development, and thus prevent any shift in the superstructure as a whole.
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 No.326414

>>326409
>Why did woke capital got banned? Secret genocide dms?
It must have begun instigating something, because all of the "InAction" reddits are still active and r/ShitPolitcsSays still exists, and they do practically the same general thing.
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 No.326417

>>326414
I should mention that it's either that, or the reddit began to go down the route of permitting certain language without moderation which rustled some jimmies and got it reported to the site. Not defending that, but it's going to have the result you would expect when the site mods begin snooping. As CTH showed, its not something only applied to the right.
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 No.326420

>>326414
>r/ShitPolitcsSays still exists
>censorship and targeted banning isn't real because only 19 out of 20 instances have been killed so far
>also porky would never dare to abuse his power
You really do have the mentality of a cucked bootlicker. You will never stop making excuses for them.
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 No.326439

>>326420
>censorship and targeted banning isn't real because only 19 out of 20 instances have been killed so far
Never said this, only made the point that it's applied in the context I mentioned.
>also porky would never dare to abuse his power
Never said this either.
>You really do have the mentality of a cucked bootlicker. You will never stop making excuses for them.
In what way? Me explaining things is not the same as me defending the site as a whole. If you can't tell the difference, then I don't think I'm the one with a mental deficiency here. Don't talk about having the "mentality of a cucked bootlicker" when that's all your ideology rounds out to being. The only reason these corporations even exist in the capacity they do has been your defense of their continuation and capitalism itself.
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 No.326594

It's a bourgeois distraction to make it seem as if opposition to the best interests of the majority of Americans is somehow implicit to leftism. This forces the population into two camps. The slaves, who support CRT because they think if they elect enough black presidents the TV will shut up and go back to normal. Those who ask questions end up opposing CRT because it "underestimates African-American work ethic" or some retarded non-threatening point like this. We need to show the American working class that submissive bourgeois neo-zealotry is not real leftism and these liberal cowards do not represent us.
>>323183
Cry, liberal. I don't support socialism because I care about your feelings. I support socialism because I want to increase my own quality of life.
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 No.326962

>>325002
>anyone who criticizes me and my retarded bourgeois false consciousness is le /pol/!!

Go back.
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 No.326965

>>325201
>>325228
Stop pretending that CRT is just "teaching history" and that whitey is too fragile to handle it you dishonest faggots. If you're going to try to defend something, at least pretend to know what you're talking about.
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 No.326972

>>326962
>i said bourgeoisie i win
you learned a nice trick there, /pol/ack
incorporating buzzwords from left lingo into your /pol/ack "argumentation style", of shouting buzzwords, and suddenly you are a leftist
what an amazing trick
seethe more
you'll never be a leftist, /pol/ack
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 No.326975

>>326972
There is nothing correct about your original post, none of the janitors in here are reactionary.
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 No.326991

>>326972
>mu-muh-muh /pol/!!!! anyone who disagrees with me is /pol/!!

I know you think that constantly crying about our favorite boogeyman makes you one of us, but it doesn't. You're still a liberal, consumed by false consciousness and bereft of any knowledge of actual leftist theory, incapable of any meaningful praxis. Your entire argumentation style revolves around name calling and poisoning the well, so don't think you have any business criticizing mine.

That you have the gall to call us fake leftists while simultaneously claiming that being anti-idpol (which EVERY successful Marxist movement in the past century has been) is "reactionary" is honestly astounding. But let me guess, you're gonna start crying about how the USSR and other socialist states were evil and authoritarian and not true socialism in response to that point, aren't you?

Kill yourself, you worthless liberal shitpump. You are a disingenuous wrecker and a useful idiot for the bourgeoisie.
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 No.326992

>>326991
You probably think banning homosexuality as 'bourgeois decadence' is 'anti-idpol', don't you?
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 No.326995

>>326992
It literally is though. Name one benefit given to the proletarian state by allowing sodomy.
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 No.327000

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 No.327002

>>326995
Name one benefit of banning it
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 No.327004

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 No.327005

>>327002
I can name several

>Increase in birthrates, thus an increase in workforce, comrades, and party members

>Rejection of bourgeois culture
>Disease prevention
>Stops the slippery slope before it starts
>Eliminates another source of unproductive behavior

I could go on(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)
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 No.327009

>>327005
>Eliminates another source of unproductive behavior
ENSLAVE ALL PEOPLE
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 No.327012

>>327005
are you actually retarded or just shitposting and pretending?
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 No.327014

>>327005
>POV: This anon managed to secure leadership of the AES
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 No.327016

>>327009
All of life, all of history, all of human behavior is about slavery. You're enslaving billions of cells in your own body right now. Slavery of some sort is a necessity for society to function. Under socialism, this will mean slavery to the state and the concept and ideal of socialism. We will not be slaves of other men, but we must be slaves of our group, for if we are not slaves to our group we will invariably be enslved by another.
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 No.327020

>>327016
this is mental illness put in words
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 No.327025

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 No.327030

>>326995
treating them like humans
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 No.327240

>>327005
Literally all of this could be applied to sex that doesn't result in pregnancy. What does "rejection of bourgeois culture" even mean? Did gay people just come into existence around three centuries ago?
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 No.327253

>>327005
Kek, he fell for my bait, and people here dislike my posts
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 No.327255

>>324466
I have read Marcuse actually, but you’re smoking crack if you think that the recent CRT hysteria whipped up by burger rightoids will be anything other than a catch all term for everything they don’t like.
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 No.327257

>>326992
No, that is literally idpol you fucking retard. Right wing idpol is infinitely worse than liberal idpol anyway, but it isn't relevant anymore so it isn't a point of discussion.
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 No.327259

>>327016
Kys schizo pseud retard.
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 No.327585

Just one point regarding censorship, which was discussed a bit before:

Youtube banned videos of Xurious that have no lyrics. The guy is known to be a right-winger, yes, but what is the justification to ban of song with only synthesizers?

I'm not trying to play victim, I'm just wondering why those platforms constantly ban nationalists and fascists. Aren't capitalists supposed to be all that, according to your theories?
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 No.327649

>>327585
>but what is the justification to ban of song with only synthesizers?
I doubt it was just synthesizers with a blank background, because plenty of more explicit far-right "parody" stuff still makes its rounds across youtube and avoids removal, especially if you know where to look. You're also operating in the confines of a capitalist platform, so any "justification" is whatever policy they lay out. Not condoning that, but that's the reality.
>I'm not trying to play victim, I'm just wondering why those platforms constantly ban nationalists and fascists. Aren't capitalists supposed to be all that, according to your theories?
Explained earlier in the thread, it's just clean up of those seen as unconducive to the sanitized and "inclusive" market environment they want, of groups who are no longer of use in this post-ussr world we live in, particularly in the west. We never stated that the existing bourgeoisie are majority nationalist or fascist, we stated that the vast majority of nationalists and practically all fascists are capitalists and will still act as lapdogs for the system even when they are being retired by the bourgeoisie themselves domestically. Fascists still see their use by capitalists in order to suppress communists from time to time, and when push comes to shove the bourgeoisie proper will collaborate with them, but this is more relevant with western intervention in the global south and Eastern Europe then within the west itself. Fascists today (and by this I mean actual relevant fascists) are relegated to at best serving the role of petty enforcers who do the dirty work, which the bourgeoisie implicitly permit to happen, but which are never recognized as "legitimate" or "proper". That would just tarnish the brand.
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 No.327654

it's looking at racism as systemic rather than individualistic. that's all it is. ignore the hand-wringing of the anti-idpol front and conservacuck.

crt is good and necessary in america.
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 No.327689

>>327654
Americans move frequently, it's easier to carry around LCDs than CRTs to different apartments.
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 No.328175

>>327654
"Good" and "necessary" to sustain capitalism?
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 No.329685

Can anyone provide a concrete example of a novel insight or perspective provided by CRT ? anything? Everyone here, even critics of CRT are being insufferably vague. This is a really, really low bar to cross btw. Forget asking how teaching CRT affects the material conditions of blacks. I already know the answer to that one.
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 No.329723

>>329685
One CRT concept that got twisted out of proportion was "racism is power combined with prejudice". This is a key tenet of American anti-racism and I think it has some worth in explaining the collective and group disparities between races in the US if you actually factor class into it. Most white Americans have an almost Westphalian understanding of group dynamics, where everything can be distilled down to a conception of individuals and their behavior operating on an equal playing field. This results in the cognitive dissonance of "I can't be racist if I have black friends! Oh shit some blacks are protesting SHOOT THEM KILL THE DRUG DEALERS AND WELFARE QUEENS" You're never allowed to suggest that the historical development of a nation might influence people to hold beliefs that were codified decades or hundreds of years ago. That's the only positive thing I see can CRT doing, as even a cursory overview of American racism will lead you right back to capitalism and imperialism.
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 No.329728

>>329685
They made a theory that accepts that humanity is divided into races, they use the same words the slave-masters and slave-merchants invented to justify their horrendous racket.

First the minor point: it's anti scientific.
It's incompatible with biology. If they accepted science they would not invent a cheap rhetorical trick to ignore science. We found out that there are no fundamental biological differences between people that are racially profiled to belong to one or another group, that race is very superficial. They do not based their theory on that, instead they invent the concept of "socially constructed races" so that they can continue to make race theories. If you accept the scientific method you don't just give it a nod and continue as before, you overthrow your theories and reformulate your ideas to bring them into alignment with the new findings.

The major flaw is political: it supports racism.
If you create a theory for the purpose of fighting racism, your intellectual battle is to make people focus on what they have in common with the people that are othered as a different race. CRT does the opposite it's a none stop reinforcement of racial difference. The goal of racism is and always has been to make the oppressed people fight each other, instead of their oppressors. If you create theory that reinforces race as a division you are giving intellectual support to racism.

Racism starts with the assumptions that people can be different races. The battle against racism starts with the opposite assumption.
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 No.330287

>>325537
>How? I don't think the bourgeoisie can very well invent "gay". Did they invent straight laced anglo protestant families when thats what they catered to? The modus operandi of the bourgeoisie has always been to take preexisting concepts or cultures and repurpose them towards capitalist logic.

Bu subsidizing the hell out of it and giving it a monopoly in the higher education system
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 No.330317

jesus fucking christ /leftypol/ accuses EVERYTHING of being glow and then immediately laps up the whatever putrid shit a reactionary think tank pushes out and lines up right behind the GOP because theyre afraid of seeming too much like muh blue haired bogeyman

absolutely fucking pathetic, all of you falling for this are weakminded cowards with no integrity, contorting yourself to try and make your enemies think youre One Of The Good Leftists. this isnt about being against liberalism or muh SJWs you knuckledragging retards, its a concerted propaganda campaign to demonize and isolate the kind of insurgent popular movements that we saw fighting cops in the streets last summer

this is the farther-right-flank of last summers liberal denouncement of "huwhite outside agitators appropriating the struggle!!!" and you are a dumb faggot for falling for it
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 No.330347

>>322889
excellent post.
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 No.330372

>>327654
>it's looking at racism as systemic rather than individualistic.
Hmmmm, it's almost like there's this thing called Marxism that does the same thing except way better and without the liberal idpol…
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 No.330379

>>330317
>its a concerted propaganda campaign to demonize and isolate the kind of insurgent popular movements that we saw fighting cops in the streets last summer

Yeah sure, just ignore the fact that CRT is being constantly pushed in the media and in schools/universities. But no, there's TOTALLY a massive propaganda campaign to "demonize" it, and it's TOTALLY a threat to the bourgeoisie lmao.
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 No.330385

>>330379
"CRT" is not a unified thing you slobbering troglydyte, the whole point of this campaign is to conflate Fanon with Nancy Pelosi with whatever bullshit liberal professor tells your kid about white privilege. theyre taking some circlejerk academic liberal term for some grant bait and applying it to anything that has to do with race as a way to get to and stomp out the fledgling multiracial revolt that there was a beautiful spark of during last years anti-police riots.

obviously liberal racial essentialism and race reductionism is the enemy of class politics, thats why were here, because theres nowhere else on the internet you can say that that has a sliver of decent communist politics. that doesnt mean you line up behind the neo-COINTELPRO divide and conquer narrative that comes out of GOP think tanks. its okay to be more annoyed at liberals than reactionaries but its not okay to let it cloud your judgement so badly that youre blind to reactionary scheming
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 No.330516

>>330372
it can be a bridge to class analysis and marxism. much moreso than anything taught in schools now, anyway.
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 No.330774

>>322878
I respectfully disagee.
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 No.330775

>>322932
Cornelius (((Rye)))
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 No.330776

>>322943
hi u/MetaFlight
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 No.330777

>>330774
>>330775
>>330776
here's your (you) idiot
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 No.330778

>the right-wing actually believes this
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 No.330786

>>330379
damn uygha you dumb
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 No.330799

>>330778
Antifa has nothing to do with the CPUSA.
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 No.330825

>>330778
Oh! The New American magazine, literally the John Birch Society lmao. Also, I have to say, the growing anti-Semitism of the right seems to be a problem for them but a bunch of the spokesmen for the traditional anti-communist institutions like the JBS are guys like Daniel Natal in that video.
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 No.330837

>>330778
Remember to spam this video's comments with rat emojis.
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 No.331130

>>330837
I dont get it.
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 No.331715

>>324457
It's not about "bad" or "good" people, this image is liberal idealism
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 No.331721

>>331130
The woman the video is talking about snitched on hundreds of CPUSA members during McCarthyism.
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 No.331772

Basically if you think that slavery was bad that's CRT from what I gather from rightoids
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 No.331841

>>331772
It's not like there is a book from one of the CRT founders posted which was written specifically to describe what CRT is , posted in this thread.



>>325445
and critiques to that very same book and CRT
>>323633


But let's instead talk about social media.
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 No.331846

>>322889
so it's the right-wing equivalent to liberals using 'fascism' as a slur? i guess it was inevitable. play stupid games win stupid prizes.
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 No.331853

>>322889
Completely agree.
I honestly think the left is going to need to really hammer home how race is used as a cudgel by the ruling class to beat the working class into submission, and any attempt by liberals to reify the construct in either direction should me met with contempt.
Also, we need more Marxist analysis on race in the U.S. to counter liberals hiding behind minorities to protect the capitalist.
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 No.331880

crt is just the mainstream version of calling everything cultural Marxism
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 No.331886

>>330778
I got a headache listening to this guy.
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 No.332184

>>324539
Get rid of the flagg you fed.
You do this shit way too often. You pretend to be an anarchist to drive in potential leftists towards liberalism instead of class justice.
https://mobile.twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/1313440503061381120
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 No.332380

>>324563
>things like racism, sexism, etc. don't stop existing under socialism

Except a significant portion of it simply disappears, especially in America where the primary division is due to systemic and economic reasons.
If you establish a new economic system designed to uplift the working class, who is it going to benefit the mmost? Marginalized people.
>”The history of all hitherto existing society is the history of class struggles.” - Carl Marx
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 No.333511

>>323893
Я русский но в россии не живу лет 10. учился в универе в США.
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 No.333863

How compatible is it with Marxism?
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 No.333871

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 No.334848

let's create some critical race theory leftypol: https://app.inferkit.com/demo

>race is a socially constructed identity which serves to oppress non-white people. non-white people are less likely to see themselves as being constructed as white and therefore see no need to construct themselves as white

>because society’s view of race is culturally constructed, it is outside the realm of scientific observation and therefore invisible, thus explaining why no one else can see race, unlike the social constructionists.
>no one but the scientific community can even begin to comprehend race. Only in societies based on inherited oppression can they ever be fully understood. Biology is based on context, not race.
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 No.334864

>>334853
WS go home
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 No.337223

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Branco getting on the CRT bandwagon
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 No.337226

Why teach kids CRT when you could be teaching them CBT, am I right fellas?
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 No.350399

It is a bullshit theory that divides the working class into warring camps that are unable to effectively resist the 1%.
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 No.357071

Honestly this shit is just straight racist
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 No.357087

>>350399
The fact that no one can seem to explain what it is, and it's also completely new, and it's the reason why the working class is divided… well that kinda smells like BS
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 No.357091

>>357087
This theory is made by the ruling class so as to divide them to further their toxic capitalist agenda of world exploitation and domination
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 No.357115

>>357091
But what is the theory
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 No.357127

>>357115
See >>323587
It's basically intersectionalism but instead of the legalist framework it's applied to a cultural one
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 No.357128

>>357115
glowie shit >>323654
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 No.357134

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 No.357140

>>357134
>Emancipation is when J cole is president
Fool
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 No.357142

CRT is glowie shit to get people distracted from class issues and focus on racial issues instead
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 No.357153

>>357134
Marx is right about this however the CRT is antimarxist glowie shit read >>323633 and >>323635 faggot
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 No.357164

Critical race theory and adjacent meme ideologies are to the modern petty bourgeoisie what nationalism once was to the European petty bourgeoisie in the 19th and early 20th centuries. For the liberal elements it serves as justification for open hostility towards the workers movement, while for the left elements (some of whome you'll find on this here board) it serves as justification for their detatched, petty bourgeois cynisism and "jadedness" towards the workers movement. Combat it as if your life depended on it. Purge the petty bourgeois rot from every organization. The petty bourgeois Left has had 30 years to get something done, and what we've seen is catastrophe followed by failure built upon disaster.
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 No.357439

Unless you combat racism then I don't think the workers movement is going to make much progress.
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 No.370002

>>322861
its literally just saying america used to be racist
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 No.370184

>>322917
probably why it changed kek
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 No.370209

>>325085
Did you expect anything else from a Critical Race Theory thread?
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 No.370717

>>323657
Fannon was a retard and a hack, his writings should be ignored.
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 No.371142

Gerald Horne says it was an attempt to suck all the class consciousness out of law schools, but he is himself a historical revisionist and what he says should be taken with a grain of salt.
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 No.371399

>>324532
>Like for example
nice antidote
>burger academia
>reliable source
okay tard
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 No.371493

Fanon and Horne are basado THO.
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 No.371607

Criticism which can surmised to "this isn't communism", are toothless. Where is CRT actually wrong?
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 No.371618

>>324532
Two candidates apply for a job in China. One is Han Chinese, the other is white British. Chinese law requires the job be given to the Chinese candidate, which is also the culturally accepted practice.
That is systemic discrimination you fucking burger wit. It's legally mandated with no opposition from within the majority of citizens.
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 No.371668

most of the theories being pushed under that umbrella are repackaged racial "science"
it's not a repeat of white man's burden, but it sure rhymes with it
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 No.371814

>>371668
Are you saying the Democrats are the real racists? Very good strategy, it certainly has not been tried before
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 No.371897

>>371814
>>371618

>Remember kids vote blue…


It's kind of telling how defenses of CRT have to be narrowly focused (Motte) on it's origin as critical legal studies from 50 years ago because anything of what's been pushed now(Bailey) is hilariously tainted by IDPOL , intersectionalism, standpoint-theory and that oh so funny woke chauvinism.

>Why should I care about a glowop that's currently being used to push the "Domestic War on Terror" and probably will be in the "Patriot Act 2.0"?

<Awww jeez anon, Don't tell me you don't believe in racism!? Awwww shucks take my downvoot
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 No.373655

>>325625
Preach based bro
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 No.373668

>>325625
Are you Aaron McGruder?
Based
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 No.375375

>>371897
You did not understand either of the posts you replied to
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 No.379816

>>322861
>Obama see that people wanting to show how not racist they are make him win elections
>create the woke movement to break the left and occupy wall street
>blatant lies are now told in school, lies who make people more racially aware, therefore more racist
>Reps give it a name
Here is the ful story.
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 No.380418

Ir is newspeak for the latest incarnation of scientific racism
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 No.381454

>>379816
>blatant lies are now told in school, lies who make people more racially aware, therefore more racist

What are the lies?
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 No.381455

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 No.381458

>>322861
it seems to take some marxist/anarchist talking points but then subtly replace everything with race even though never quite claiming to do so.
it presents a theory of society that is race-centric, with out committing to a theory of history which is race-centric, so bothersome historical counterexamples can not be used as arguments against it.

On one hand, introducing people to some of the legitimate anti-liberal principals it contains might appear, on the surface, to be desirable, im not sure if it would be easy to clean out the bad bits from an indoctrinated mind, and so i am wary.
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 No.381462

don't get "race theory"
what does f1 have to do with marxism?
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 No.381464

>>380418
>newspeak for the latest incarnation of scientific racism
Yes that's the correct take
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 No.381486

>>381462
god im sick of dumb fuck yuropoors who don't know american history. NASCAR aka uyghas And Spics are a Concern to the Aryan Race were the inventors of racism.
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 No.381551

>>381464
>>380418
Are you actually retarded?
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 No.381581

>>381551
"Scientific" racism in the first incarnation was created by pseudo intellectuals that borrowed from biology to make up stories to justify class domination. 100 years later Crit race theory is also making up stories about race in the service of class domination. Don't be fooled by the fact that the new iteration is borrowing from sociology instead of biology. Consider that while they are saying that they oppose racism, they are actually working to create more racialist consciousness. Which is entrenching racial conflict in society and that makes it much harder to fight against racism and for justice.
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 No.381715

>>381581
This is stupid as hell, what are the lies? Is race a social construct, or is it not? Is the US a white supremacist country, or is it not? Do white people have racial privilege, or do they not? Are the police racially profiling black men and opressing them, or are they not?
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 No.382103

>>381715
Yes, it is a social construct, like all marketing demographics.

No, the US is not a white supremacist country. It is a bourgeois supremacist country. The bourgeoisie doesn't care about race insofar as profits are made and it doesn't care about the color of the people it exploits to get it.

White people don't have racial privilege because racial privilege doesn't exist. What you misidentify as racial privilege is in fact class privilege.

Police "racial profiling" is class oppression. Race is incidental, as is clearly demostrated by the multiracial nature of policing and government, and that rich and powerful nonwhites get all the same legal privileges that their white counterparts get. Eddie Murphy picked up a trans hooker and didn't even get a slap on the wrist. O J Simpson murdered his wife and her lover and got off scot free. Obama waged eight years of war on the planet and brutally cracked down on domestic unrest and has been canonized along with his predecessor George Bush.

Get on the class train, chump.
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 No.382213

>>382103
>No, the US is not a white supremacist country. It is a bourgeois supremacist country. The bourgeoisie doesn't care about race insofar as profits are made and it doesn't care about the color of the people it exploits to get it.

Damn, if only the academics knew. Maybe even Chomsky can catch up to you.

>White people don't have racial privilege because racial privilege doesn't exist. What you misidentify as racial privilege is in fact class privilege.


This is contradicted by statistical trends such as the children of wealthy black parents go to prison at a higher rate than the children of poor white parents. There are other measures of the effects of socio-economic status, where race trumps class/income/parental wealth.

>Police "racial profiling" is class oppression. Race is incidental, as is clearly demostrated by the multiracial nature of policing and government, and that rich and powerful nonwhites get all the same legal privileges that their white counterparts get. Eddie Murphy picked up a trans hooker and didn't even get a slap on the wrist. O J Simpson murdered his wife and her lover and got off scot free. Obama waged eight years of war on the planet and brutally cracked down on domestic unrest and has been canonized along with his predecessor George Bush.

You don't know anything, I understand you believe this stuff, but you are clearly uneducated about the facts surrounding these issues. Simply supposing a just-so-story you like, is no substitute for something that is actually backed by evidence
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 No.382225

>>382213
>chomsky
lol you mean the same chomsky that's held a comfortable academic position for decades and who has resolutely advised the working class to vote democrat?

>statistics

hurr

>just so

durr

Cry more, racialist.
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 No.382260

>>382225
You really have nothing? Your racists bullshit is not going to anywhere outside of the chans, your talk about class is covered in intersectionalism
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 No.387252

glowie shit
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 No.387309

fucking americans
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 No.387310

>>382213
>some study I'm not going to link
I'm sure it was a very unbiased study, completely unmotivated by flighty political groupthink of the day. Then there's Professor Putnam's study at Harvard that gets memory holed by libs.
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 No.387327

>>382260
>your talk about class is covered in intersectionalism
No class is not an identity.
Class is a relation to the means of production.
Class analysis is far more fundamental, you have to give it theoretical centrality.
You will become a reactionary idealist if you fail to do that.
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 No.387419

>>322875
>malevolently designed prison
That is Manichean not Gnosticism proper.
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 No.392911

>>387327
>No class is not an identity.
You don't know what intersectionalism

>Class is a relation to the means of production.

>Class analysis is far more fundamental, you have to give it theoretical centrality.
Intersectionalism covers of race and class interact to shape the experience of people and what their power relationships are due to their combination of class, gender, and race. Racism changes how class operates in a given situation, this is part of what racial privilege means.

>You will become a reactionary idealist if you fail to do that.

You don't have the faintest idea about what any of these terms actually mean, you're just a lazy racist. If you can read "Das Capital", you can read an article or two about intersectionalism. You can start with the "Invisible Knapp sack"
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 No.402730

>>392911
People like you are a tumor
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 No.402746

>>392911
>Invisible Knapp sack"
Dude if we meet irl i'm going to jail
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 No.402755

>>322861
>Glowop
Given it's mainly a liberal thing, probably. >>322875 summarized why it's shite, beautifully.
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 No.402808

CRT IS NEOLIB BULLSHIT.

NO WONDER PARENTS ARE OBJECTING TO IT.

GRASSROOTS AGAINST TOXIC NEOLIBS ARE ONLY THE BEGINNING.

AND AS A MATTER OF FACT, NEVER READ MAINSTREAM MEDIA!!!
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 No.403701

>>402808
White parents are against it because it is snti-white. Non-whites are for it
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 No.403831

File: 1627337953729.pdf ( 104.01 KB , 232x300 , mocombe2014.pdf )

Mocombe, Paul C. "Against critical race theory." Ethnic Studies Review 37.1 (2014): 83-106.
good article by a black marxist scholar on the CRT
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 No.403837

>>403831
Interview with the author
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 No.403841

>>403701
>White parents
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