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 No.117315

https://marxistthinktank.org/maya-forstater-and-tony-blairs-post-truth-era/
This Cockshott dude truly is one obsessed queerphobe.
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 No.117317

paul should stay out of the radfem shitfest tbh. no productive discussion can be had with people who project their own sexual trauma onto politics
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 No.117318

>marxistthinktank
>let's advocate inequalities, gender essentialism, far-right boogiemanism and a whole load of idpol
>but say "socialism is good" so that no one confuses me with a far-right idiot who could have identical opinions
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 No.117322

wat do you expect, he is a boomer
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 No.117323

>>117322
Not all boomers are fucking retards.
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 No.117324

>>117318
>Cockshott bad becuz he mean to troons
Lmao
Sure thing boyo
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 No.117327

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>paul should stay out of the radfem shitfest tbh. no productive discussion can be had with people who project their own sexual trauma onto politics
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 No.117328

Don't get baited into replying to retards, keep the thread focused on peepeeboom
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 No.117331

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>>117315
why's he name checking Tony Blair, Tonty's on his side.
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 No.117332

>>117328
>peepeeboom
Kek
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 No.117333

>>117317
I don't think he ever wanted to have productive discussions.
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 No.117338

>>117331
That's how rightards work
>hitler was leftist! leftism is hitlerism!
>hitler was atheist! atheism is hitlerism!
>hitler was vegan! veganism is hitlerism!
Because of their psychological splitting, they can't accept the idea that their own side does anything bad.
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 No.117340

>>117338
>Terfs are right wing! Redical feminism is right wing!
>Terfs are misandrist! Redical feminism is misandry!
>Terfs are vegan! veganism is redical feminism
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 No.117343

>>117322
Do obsolete generations need to die before anything good happens?
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 No.117346

>Literally wanting one of the greatest Marxist theorists of our time to die because he has evil unwoke opinions about goddamned tr**nies
And you folks claim to be different from Twitter lmao
Why are you so obsessed with defending them at any rate? Does it gain anything?
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 No.117369

>>117315
>This Cockshott dude truly is one obsessed queerphobe.
yes. what's your point?
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 No.117376

>>117346
>brocialist defending literal simp
Is this what is called false flagging?
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 No.117377

>>117333
in that case he's even more retarded. what I worry about is that this shit is going to spill over to where /cybersoc/ advocates are likely to be "TERF smeared". we all know radlibs love guilt-by-association
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 No.117380

>>117377
>hurr radlib boogieman
Why do so many of the self-identified "leftists" use the same exact tactics as far-right?
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 No.117381

>>117346
Who was wishing death on Cockshott you tard? Otherwise insightful theorists often have strange, hyperautistic or incorrect opinions which end up being a hill they die on when pushed. Cockshott isn't really any exception. Stop deifying people because they wrote some good texts.
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 No.117382

>>117381
Don't reply to obvious retards who have nothing to say.
See "anglo box" thread.

Feeding retards makes retards "reproduce".
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 No.117383

>>117380
seethe
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 No.117408

>>117376
>Being a literal simp is when you say something that offends tr**nies and their radlib buddies
Cope
>>117381
Half of this thread?
Mucho retardo?
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 No.117409

That's nice
Get back to studying retards
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 No.117418

>>117369
Probably the fact that it makes him a moron with an axe to grind, a /pol/tard equivalent.
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 No.117424

>>117408
>Half of this thread?
I'm sure you won't mind pointing out which posts in this thread, constituting half the posts, were wishing death on Paul Cockshott.
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 No.117427

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 No.117430

>>117424
Don't reply to the obvious retard, bait taker.
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 No.117433

>>117430
You just replied to him
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 No.117446

>>117433
He's the bait taker, not the retard.
He may be retarded, but he's not THE retard.
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 No.117459

>cockshott is a queerphobe
why should I give a shit? something tells me that nobody can give me a satisfactory answer.
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 No.117465

>>117459
humans are social creatures and ideas are social signals. this is true even for autists.
in caveman terms he's sticking his fingers up, in psychologist terms he's saying he's of less than sound mind.
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 No.117476

>>117465
okay, cool. now explain to me why i should care.
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 No.117478

>>117476
my advice to you is to never care about anything, ever, and to go and watch monsters inc.
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 No.117484

>>117478
my advice to you is to work on overcoming your crippling inability to produce a useful and coherent argument
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 No.117485

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 No.117490

>>117484
arguing with you would be an exercise in sophistry: i do not think you should care, i think you should watch the 2001 pixar movie monsters inc, a movie set in a city of monsters. In order to power the city, monsters have to scare children so that they scream. However, the children are toxic to the monsters, and after a child gets through, two monsters realize things may not be what they think.
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 No.117491

The facts are that there are differences between the sexed bodies and you can't choose your sex. Almost the entire world sees it like Cockshott sees it. You can "support" (verbally signal approval without actually helping with money issues or whatever) trans people as much as you want, but that doesn't change how it is. Language changes alone don't have the fantastical powers that UK/US liberals ascribe to them. For the trans fantasy to become a reality would require massive innovations in medicine and that the results of that becoming broadly available. As it currently is, uterus transplants for mtfs don't work, sculpted vaginas only look real if you are really lucky and they never work like a normal one, a sculpted ftm penis never even looks real, changing the shape of your skeleton only "works" with slow and painful changes here and there, and linguistic pseudo-radicalism and love-bombing can't compensate for this multi-dimensional failure.
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 No.117493

>>117491
>Almost the entire world sees it like Cockshott sees it
almost the entire world doesn't care, Cockshott is an anomaly because he's into scottish TERF discourse. normal people don't care about that. they're much more interested in the fact that the New Disney+ animated series 'Monsters at Work' doesn't live up to its 'Monsters, Inc.' legacy. The characters have big shoes to fill — seven or eight of them, in some cases — and despite good acting and gags, the show just doesn’t measure up. By Sam Thielman, reporter and cultural critic
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 No.117499

>>117490
>i do not think you should care
okay. do you think that anyone should care about whether or not cockshott supports LGBT issues? do you think that anyone gains from caring?
>arguing with you would be an exercise in sophistry
every argument you have with everyone is an exercise in sophistry because you're capable of nothing else but sophistry. why bother stating the obvious?
your most obvious pattern of behaviour is whenever you're backed into a corner all you can do is spout quips and non-sequiturs. thankfully, you're just as unfunny and charmless as you are stupid.
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 No.117502

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>>117499
>you're just as unfunny and charmless as you are stupid.
oblivion NPC tier
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 No.117505

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 No.117609

>>117459
>why should I give a shit?
If you were a moral person, you'd know why.
Since you don't know why, you aren't moral, so you'd say the same thing if instead of a subhuman bigot he was a subhuman literal pedophile.
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 No.117619

Terfs want to cut off my genitals
transhumanists want to cut off their own.
Clear i'd side with the transhumanists
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 No.117630

>>117609
>This thing is bad because that other thing is bad and what if this thing were the other thing, then it would be bad. Can't you see? Think about what you support, you bigot, because if it were something else, it would be something else. And with that something else being bad, this thing which is not that something else must be then also bad, if we assume it being that instead of what it is, and which actually is not being a subset or superset or something overlapping conceptually in the least. Do you need a diagram or what? Are you retarded? Do I have to explain this again and again? Here is the thing A and the other thing B and thing A is not thing B, but thing B is bad, so let's say thing A is equal to thing B, then thing A is bad. Don't you understand basic logic? Are you a child? Are you subhuman?
I am in full agreement with you, but allow me to elaborate and strengthen your argument:
1. set us up the bomb
2. consequences will never be the same
3. time is a cube

TERFs don't dare to reply to this because they can't answer it. Which is why they try to censor us. Stay strong, sisters!
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 No.117636

(seemingly out of nowhere carly simon's "nobody does it better" starts playing, only someone has haphazardly changed the lyrics to "socdem does it better". you blame your audio driver.)
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 No.117689

>>117609
>you'd say the same thing if instead of a subhuman bigot he was a subhuman literal pedophile
Yes.
I don't defend Cockshott because he's a beacon of morality. To the contrary, I think that some of his moral views are straight up evil. But I defend him because of his useful academic work. I don't think Cockshott's bigotry is historically significant, but I do think his academic work is. I don't think Cockshott's bigotry will have anything near the same material effect that his work on socialist planning will.
If morality was the sole basis by which I chose to to follow people then it would be impossible to call myself a communist, because nearly every prominent figure throughout the history of the communist movement has said and done horrible things that I completely disagree with. I call myself a communist because I can accept those atrocities and desire to move past them.
You've labelled bigots and paedophiles as subhumans. Are you sure you want to go down this route? Face it, being a bigot is something any human is capable of, and it goes without saying that numerous human beings have been guilty of far worse. I'm willing to accept that what it means to be human includes the capacity to be atrocious, because I don't want to live in an idealised fantasy world. Can you say the same?
You say that I'm not a moral person. But I claim that good morals are the consequence of an environment where they can be cultivated and maintained. I want to see such environments become a reality. Tell me, how do you think that such will realistically come about?
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 No.118067

Cockshott is always right even in this case
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 No.118073

>>118067
He's not just always right. He's always far-right!
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 No.118084

>>118073
I dont think being leftwing or rightwing is primarily determined by opinion on genital amputation.
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 No.118157

>>117493
Maybe it’s because most of the world doesn’t deal with this fucking nonsense while Cockshott as an Anglo has to deal with rampant Anglo liberal culture that obsesses over fucking nonsense, upholds mental illness as “radical”, and genuinely believes language has some sort of magical quality that allows it to warp reality
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 No.118159

>>117689
How is Cockshott’s moral views evil?
Arguably he proposes laws that would fuck up lives for male *ncels but I still don’t think he’s a bad guy
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 No.118165

>>118157
nah they just watch monsters inc because they're not anglo boomers
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 No.118167

>>117427
Bruh, only one of those wished death upon him, the others, the rest were either saying he should stay out of "the radfem shitfest" or calling him a boomer
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 No.118170

>>118165
Are you intentionally stupid or just genuinely so?
Just because they don’t take to Twitter or a blog or make a Youtube video doesn’t mean they don’t agree with Cockshott

Just look at how most people react when their family members or kids decide to be trans, no the average person actually isn’t on the side of your progressive liberal discourse, they may not SAY anything but their SILENCE is not AGREEMENT
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 No.118172

>>118084
le genital ampootation xD
reactionary memes so funi

Come back when you have something to say.
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 No.118177

>>117315
shouldn't this shit be in the mainboard ?
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 No.118206

>>118170
"just don't like it, simple as" isn't the same as writing essays trying to justify your prejudices lol
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 No.118233

>>118177
Here's a better thread: >>>117962

In the link:
https://comraderene.wordpress.com/2021/01/04/paul-cockshott-an-intellectual-for-imbeciles/
That one would bring something new to the discussion, while the link in OP is just a boomer whining.
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 No.118271

>>117465 >>117490 >>117493
You will never be a socialist.

You will never be a real socialist. You have no theory, you have no praxis, you have no vodka. You are a revisionist man twisted by Reddit and Twitter into a crude mockery of philosophy’s perfection.

All the “validation” you get is two-faced and half-hearted. Behind your back workers mock you. Your parents are disgusted and ashamed of you, your “friends” dry-heave about your ghoulish semi-Blairite positions behind closed doors.

Working men are utterly repulsed by you. Decades of betrayal have allowed proles to sniff out frauds with incredible efficiency. Even electoral roaders’ screeds that “pass” as radical look uncanny and inauthentic when given a second look. Your bone-headed argument structure is a dead giveaway. And even if you manage to get a drunk guy to agre with you, he’ll turn tail and bolt once he’s sober and actually thinks for a second about your diseased, infected politics.

You will never be happy. You queef out a phony “comrades” every single evening and tell yourself it’s going to be ok, but deep inside you feel the depression creeping up like a weed, ready to crush you under the unbearable weight.

Eventually it’ll be too much to bear - you’ll buy some stocks, bury your nose in a mountain of cocaine, and die from an overdose. Your parents will find you, heartbroken but relieved that they no longer have to live with the unbearable shame and disappointment. They’ll throw you in a pit, and every passerby for the rest of eternity will know a social-fascist is composting there. Your body will decay and go back to the dust, and all that will remain of your legacy is a skeleton with an absent spine.

This is your fate. This is what you chose. There is no turning back.
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 No.118276

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it took him 20 hours to come up with that
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 No.118306

>>118276
I may disagree with your radlib perspective, cuckdem anon, but goddamn you are good with comebacks
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 No.118308

>>118172
I just did say something.
You chose to ignore that point because it makes you feel bad.
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 No.118321

>>118271
Mildly funny, but you aimed it at wrong guy.
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 No.118325

>>118321
Your mistake is thinking that somebody needs to be mind warped by anglo culture and start repeating out trite liberal slogans about wokeness and all this other stuff to be a communist
Not at all
If communists could exist before angloism’s latest shift then I do not at all need to adhere to it and you will never brainwash me into doing so
My reason to be a communist is simple, if I am a proletarian I would rather my life not be shit and the best outcome possible for my own life and the planet would be to abolish the notion of being a proletarian at all, I’m rational enough to see I will never be in the bourgeois class so embracing socialism and then collaborating with other people in the same predicament is the most rational course of action

I don’t need to embrace the mental illness of the anglosphere and its western allies to see where my interests lie
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 No.118346

>>118167
>the rest were either saying he should stay out of "the radfem shitfest" or calling him a boomer
That's basically a death threat
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 No.118366

>>118346
Assault even!
Also siding with employer against employee.
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 No.118374

has anyone actually debunked the points that cockshott makes in his articles on the gender issues, or it the only comeback to his research basically to repeat the same nostrums of psychotic firstoids in a circular way till the critics are shouted down?
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 No.118393


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