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 No.114254

Why do you guys want everywhere in the world to look like America?
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 No.114256

Are you on the wrong site? Lmao
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 No.114257

When have we said that?
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 No.114258

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>>114256
>>114257
Whenever I try to bring up protecting the local traditions of the country.
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 No.114260

>>114258
>the only two options are an ethnostate or Burgerland
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 No.114262

>>114260
If you look up the previous architecture threads like 80% of the replies are saying that we should just tear down all the old building and rebuild more efficient and better for poor people commieblocs
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 No.114264

>>114260
Also what's the third option?
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 No.114265

>>114258
But anon, local traditions cannot be preserved if capitalism exist.
Diversity in the real sense and not the zoological one we see in america cannot exist with capitalism
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 No.114267

>>114265
No one said otherwise if you took one second to look at my flag or the comic in which the right side is obviously anti-capitalist
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 No.114268

>>114262
America's architecture isn't especially poor-friendly, so I still don't understand why you think we "want everywhere in the world to look like America".

>>114264
>Also what's the third option?
Just have a non-racist society but let people preserve their unique cultural traditions (as long as those traditions aren't harmful). The problem with America's culture isn't that it's too diverse, it's that it's too consoomerized.
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 No.114271

>>114268
>America's architecture isn't especially poor-friendly, so I still don't understand why you think we "want everywhere in the world to look like America".

Every single thread I've made on culture eventually comes down to cultures shouldn't be protected and we should all mash into one.

>Just have a non-racist society but let people preserve their unique cultural traditions (as long as those traditions aren't harmful).
This view will literally get you banned for being /pol/
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 No.114279

>>114271
>This view will literally get you banned for being /pol/
Proofs?
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 No.114281

>>114279
I've been banned
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 No.114285

>>114281
report this faggot
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 No.114287

>>114281
What exactly did you say?
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 No.114288

>>114279
The first two times were nothing bad. Literally the same shit you posted
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 No.114299

>>114258
>I wanna protect local cultures
<Picrel
You can “preserve” a “local culture” the same way that you can press a flower or pin an insect to a bug collection: all you’ll do is mummify it.
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 No.114300

>>114299
Do you think Native American culture would have been preserved if the Europeans never killed them all?
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 No.114305

>>114300
It would have evolved and wouldn't be what it was a few hundred years ago. Not even mentioning the effect of commodification of Native culture if Natives were a bigger market compared to our timeline.
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 No.114306

>>114305
That's not what I asked you.
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 No.114312

>>114306
It wouldn't. Would have been twisted anyway, maybe even more so than today because there would have been less incensitive to record it. Instead, there would have been a Native American culture industry which would have eneded being -at best- a parody of Native American culture used to fuel a Native American fascist imaginary.
The Native people itself would be in a better shape is genocide didn't happen, but to think their way of life would be genuinely preserved is idealist.
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 No.114313

>>114312
You fucking retarded. You act like if we didn't genocide them they would be McNative American in 20 years. There are villages in the jungles that haven't changed their ways in 200 years. Simply the act of not genociding would have gave them another hundred years of living the same way. You never heard the story about the Bisons? Just because your culture is degenerate doesn't mean everyone else is gonna turn into you
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 No.114317

>>114313
>Villages in the jungles that haven’t changed their ways in 200 years
Ok, and? If they’re in the jungles and cut off from the world, is that really what you want your society to be?
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 No.114320

>>114313
>There are villages in the jungles that haven't changed their ways in 200 years
Isolation is what preserved this way of life. The moment there is connection with other parts of of the world, exchanges are bound to happen, and with international exchange being heavily influenced with capitalism, the exposed culture too, will be alterated over time.
If Europeans never came to America, Natives would have remained pure in their continent sized reservation and you could moan in admiration at the noble savages like you probably touch yourself thinking at that tribe throwing spears at helicopters.
However if Europeans merely coexisted with natives, then exposure would have corroded the Native way of life until nothing remains but empty symbols and subverted stories.
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 No.114323

>>114317
That's not what we're talking about. We're talking about if cultures can be preserved. No one said Native American are going to be hunting bison for thousands of years but literally genociding them all gives them no chance to preserve any culture. If we left them alone they would have their own new unique culture while preserving whatever aspects that were able to stay over hundreds of years.
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 No.114326

>>114323
Do you think that a couple of africans in europe is the equivalent of mass killings and the deliberate spread of plague?
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 No.114329

>>114320
>and with international exchange being heavily influenced with capitalism, the exposed culture too, will be alterated over time.
Understood. I don't know where this strawman comes from probably just a misunderstanding of the argument. No one says preserve means stagnant. No one is saying they're going to be hunting bison for thousands of years it's preserving the aspects of the culture that make you unique. Each country already does this. The Chinese have a distinct culture to the Americans who have a distinct culture from the Russians. The problem is trying to stop the globalization and Americanization of cultures which is possible. Ask the North Korean and the Cubans.
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 No.114332

>>114326
No but if we sent millions and millions of Americans to some little asian country to the point where the Americans dominate and everyone starts speaking English and opening up McDonalds everywhere do you think the culture in the country is going to change?
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 No.114338

>>114323
> it's preserving the aspects of the culture that make you unique.
The base shapes the superstructure, that's Marxism 101. Native culture wouldn't be what it was if not for Natives's way of subsistance. Natives adopting capitalist mode of production under international influence would significatively alter their culture, a bison hunter feeding his immediate family wouldn't have the same mindset as a bison farmer trading his cattle on the global market.
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 No.114339

>>114338
That doesn't mean literally every culture morphs into one my man. The Asians are still eating noodles with chopsticks and we aren't.
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 No.114341

>>114332
Everyone starts speaking english and opening up McDonalds because of Capitalist Imperial Hegemony, not because of how many Americans are in a single area.
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 No.114342

>not wanting to tear down every building and build gray soviet blocks everywhere
fucking liberals
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 No.114345

>>114341
It's also because Americans are in the area. The Americans aren't going to start speaking Chinese and eating noodles under socialism if they were to immigrate. If the Americans dominates their culture is going to change. That's just factual.
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 No.114349

>>114345
If America was no longer a hegemony and they end up moving abroad, you bet your ass that they would learn the language and local customs, or at least their children would. In order to survive somewhere, you have to fit in. You couldn’t order food or get a job or even cry out for someone to call an ambulance when you’re having a heart attack in the street.

Do you really think that culture is genetically bound to the individual people and is not an inherently social phenomena?
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 No.114352

>>114339
>That doesn't mean literally every culture morphs into one my man. The Asians are still eating noodles with chopsticks and we aren't.
It does, and FYI in any Asian restaurant there is the option to eat with chopsticks, whereas more and more Asians are using forks and knives.
Commodification is like the Borgs form Star Trek, small distinctiveness slowly being added to the global culture as any local culture is assimilated. You still see differences because thoses phenomenons happens over the courses of centuries.
But there is still hope Christfag! The short sightedness of capitalsits will likely lead to a failure at developing serious large scale alternative to fast non thermic vehicles leading to a major crisis of internrational trade and differents parts of the world being once again isolated from each other, and people will be finallly free to b themselves without nasty foreign influence.
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 No.114353

>>114349
That's not how it works though. It's more like if the US went to war with Russia so 50 million Americans decide to move to Singapore or some shit because of chaos in the country. If this happened the 50 million Americans are not learning the customs or the language.
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 No.114356

>>114352
Yes I know this is the problem. Culture is morphing into one because of globalization. That's why were trying to stop it. Opening borders is letting cultures morph into one and everyone turn Americanized and hypercapitalist. The left should be against this
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 No.114359

>>114353
They literally have to or how else will they get by? This isn’t an abstraction, this is their survival.
>>114356
>Culture is morphing into one
Oh sure, it’s because of open borders and mixing and not the influence of a single empire spreading its cultures for a profit.
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 No.114360

>>114359
>They literally have to or how else will they get by? This isn’t an abstraction, this is their survival.
By building enclaves. You don't need to learn Chinese if everyone around you speaks English. And then English American restaurants and stores will open and eventually everyone assimilates to the dominate culture
.>>114359
>Oh sure, it’s because of open borders and mixing and not the influence of a single empire spreading its cultures for a profit.
It's a mix of everything but a state can decide how much it wants to let outside forces influence them.
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 No.114363

>>114356
The left want to move past beyond capitalism period. Whatever will happen to cultures will be the results of the changing material conditions, if such conditions lead to less interactions, so be it, but if it lead to more interaction between people, fighting it willl be as useful as hitting waves with a hammer to make the tide goes out.
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 No.114364

>>114363
Thanks for admitting your fine with everything becoming one culture. Now that guy above has proof
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 No.114365

>>114360
we have historical evidence that such enclaves are often a transient phenomena that appear during the first few generations of a population immigrating somewhere. Even then, those enclaves aren’t self-sustaining. Someone has to interact with the rest of the population
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 No.114367

>>114365
You are referring to enclaves with a small group of immigrants. I'm talking about 80% of the country being dominated by a new group. Even a medium size group has a massive effect. I don't think you would deny that Black culture dominates American culture currently and they're only 13% of the population.
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 No.114369

>>114367
Because black culture is profitable for white record company owners or, shocker, people like to consoom it? All the while not really seeing them as people.
>80% dominated by a new group
When the fuck has that ever happened outside of literal acts of military conquest or explicit settler colonies?
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 No.114374

>>114364
We're materialist here, we know wishful thinking and pearl clutching aren't what shapes history. Neither you or I will stop people to live according to their personal experiences in the society they have grown in.
If you start to sperg at a gathering of friends of different origins about how they should part ways because muh racemix- i mean muh preservation of culture, you'll get a beating and you'll deserve it.
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 No.114377

>>114369
>people like to consoom it?
Yeah I know but still. Small section of the population but dominates the culture shows that all outside cultures could have a majority effect on your own.
>80% dominated by a new group
It will be happen if we allow open borders. All the poor countries of the world would love free citizenship to small European countries with heavy amounts of welfare. It also happens slowly through immigration. If Indians go from 5% to 10% to 15% to 20% to 25% slowly eventually to 70% the culture will shift in the country.
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 No.114378

>>114374
You can say whatever you want but the changing of cultures is factual and we can stop it. Eventually countries as they already are in Europe will realize it.
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 No.114380

>>114377
Then maybe stop exploiting their resources and develop those countries so they don’t have to fuck off elsewhere? This ain’t the same thing as literally refugees fleeing war, btw, nor is this is a stable, permanent phenomenon.
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 No.114383

>>114380
Why would I disagree
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 No.114390

>>114378
>we can stop it
No you can't. You can roughly give it a vague direction at best but change is inevitable.
Men make their own history, but they don't do as they please
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 No.114392

>>114390
So that means give up open the borders and let the Americans corporations have their way with your country because it's inevitable?
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 No.114407

>>114392
It means seizing opportunities offered by the contradictions of capitalism to overtrow it and moving toward a new mode of production which will lead to new social relationships, which will alter culture differently from capitalism.
What you propose is going back in time, i.e a pre globalized bur mercantile world recreating the conditions that gave birth to the present situation in the first place.
Feudal Japan shut itself from the world once, until the US came with modern battleships which made Japan realize it had to modernize if it didn't want to get wiped, which led it to become imperialist over time.
Over time, capital need expansion to survive. Cut off ties between nations, and a few of them will eventually go and meet the neighbors (with trade or war) for expanding markets and secure ressouces.
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 No.114412

>>114407
That's not how it works though. All that does is have the US exploit your country and then overthrow you and install a right wing dictator if you fuck with their profits. The only people free from the US are people who can defend themselves
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 No.114421

>>114412
>trying to overthrow capitalism means that the US will come and fuck with you
It’s already on its way to do that. Socialism or Barbarism. Pick a side or someone else will pick it for you.
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 No.114424

>>114421
I misunderstand what you wrote. I thought you were saying accept US influence. I don't have a problem with anything you said that doesn't mean you have to bend over to the US and other nations
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 No.114497

>>114258
you're a retard. And what's more, you're also retarded.
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 No.114771

>>114497
Good one
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 No.114796

>>114267
>the right side is obviously anti-capitalist
>>>/pol/
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 No.114801

>>114796
?
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 No.114807

>>114801
The right side looks like pure capitalism, like modern-day Gringoland you fucking idiot.
But I bet the retard who made that edit is a rightoid who actually meant to portray the right side as "leftist" even though he's wrong, so in that sense you might be correct.
He lacks an understanding of how culture works and how/why people move, and how they preserve or lose their culture. Obviously liberals who want to "force diversity" are wrong too, because doing that does not solve any fundamental problem for minorities.
In any case, "preserving culture" is a spook, too.
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 No.114811

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>>114313
>Villages in the jungles that haven’t changed their ways in 200 years
>this is what ameriburgers actually believe
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 No.114815

>>114313
>There are villages in the jungles that haven't changed their ways in 200 years.
And this is good because…?
Also don't tell me you're the faggot who wouldn't stop whining about "good art" a couple months ago
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 No.114816

>>114815
>Also don't tell me you're the faggot who wouldn't stop whining about "good art" a couple months ago
That is me :)
>And this is good because…?
I never said it was good I was just using it an example as to cultures who have preserved their ways for hundreds of years. It's the most extreme example though.
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 No.114823

>>114816
>That is me :)
Thanks for confirming your retardation.
>I never said it was good I was just using it an example as to cultures who have preserved their ways for hundreds of years. It's the most extreme example though.
So what's your point? You're a genuine idiot if you think that using efficient designs all around the world in a communist future would erase everyone's culture and traditions. Poor people care, first and foremost, about surviving; when housing, food security, education and healthcare has been provided to everyone, when no one has to worry about having enough money to live anymore, when trends stop being forced onto the whole world to generate maximum profits, then everyone will be able to freely express themselves and worry about their culture.
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 No.114835

>>114823
People being poor doesn't mean we have to forget about everything else in life.
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 No.114842

>>114835
>Why should we ensure survival if we can’t find things that are aesthetically pleasing to me
Please remove yourself from the gene pool for the sake of all mankind.
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 No.114846

>>114842
Survival is worthless if your life is devoid of beauty, community, and values.
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 No.114847

>>114846
>t. Suburban larper
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 No.114848

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>>114847
?
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 No.114868

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>>114848
>the aesthetic equivalent of 'just throw fucking money at it in the most vulgar way possible and people will be impressed'
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 No.114894

>>114868
Small != good
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 No.114970

>>114835
seriously, just stop calling yourself a socialist.
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 No.114984

>>114970
Socalism means we have to throw away all our values??????
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 No.115029

we will unironically and fully adopt the aesthetics of the caliphate of cordoba
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 No.115052

>>114254
That is globalist capitalism aesthetic

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